"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in message
news:44F99443.AAD0B312@GrumpyvilleNOT.com...
>
>
> pitchforks and torches wrote:
>>
>> "Suburbanaristic" <yeah_uh-hu@wohoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:yeah_uh-hu-AC8D02.18372901092006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>> > In article <9RXJg.297$MF1.23@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
>> > "pitchforks and torches" <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "George Kerby" <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:C11DAC11.6A4C%ghost_topper@hotmail.com...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 9/1/06 6:40 AM, in article 44f81c1c.3555953@free.teranews.com,
>> >> > "Way
>> >> > Back
>> >> > Jack" <chillin'@home.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> First thing you noticed were the songs played over the stadium's
>> >> >> audio
>> >> >> system: "South Of The Border," "El Rancho Rock," "La Bamba," and
>> >> >> "La
>> >> >> Cucaracha." The camera panned the fans and all you could see were
>> >> >> people with dark hair, brown skin, small eyes, fleshy cheeks, and
>> >> >> flabby physiques. My Gawd!! the place was lousy with Mexicans.
>> >> >> Any
>> >> >> white people still in Texas? Hello? It also makes you wonder how
>> >> >> they could afford to attend a major league baseball game. Must
>> >> >> have a
>> >> >> generous welfare package in the Lone Star State.
>> >> > That's the reason that we can't get rid of the New Orleans
>> >> > criminals.
>> >> > The
>> >> > dems want the votes of those good folks so they keep 'em on the
>> >> > payroll.
>> >>
>> >> That was an ignorant, racist, and Rethuglican comment to add to that
>> >> troll
>> >> post.
>> >>
>> >> But that's our Gorge. Just one of HTown's resident fascist enablers.
>> >> You can almost smell the fear.
>> >
>> > Fascist enablers. Heh, good one.
>> >
>> > Surely you aware that NO had a bad reputation as a high-crime city,
>> > based on, well, facts.
>>
>> Yes, I was/am aware. I was attacked on my honeymoon there, and lost my
>> wallet to a gang. It took years to deal with the ID theft and subsequent
>> clones of my personhood.
>> >
>> > Ya think the criminal element cleaned up their act when they moved?
>>
>> No. A leopard can't change its spots. HTown was victimized, but I was
>> hoping
>> that the evacuees would be vetted a lot more carefully by Fed, State, and
>> local law enforcement, and the large numbers of miscreants would be
>> segregated and dealt with. To scatter them into the general population
>> was
>> the real mistake. The inability of the Fed to respond by providing
>> facilities in Louisiana for their return was the biggest mistake...
>>
>
>
> Why izzit always the "feds" responsibility to cure all our ills? Oh, I
> know! You were brought up to suck on the endless teat, eh?

I stand by my opinion: the feds. could have done the one thing they do well.
Law Enforcement record keeping. They could have helped the locals by
providing their computer records and systems to vet and cull the good guys
from the bad boys. See NCIC 2000 for a hint. Don't you remember back in high
school when you were threatened with 'This is going on your permanent
record'? Well, it did.

>
> JT

 
"George Kerby" <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:C11F0567.6D9D%ghost_topper@hotmail.com...
>
>
>
> On 9/2/06 9:22 AM, in article 44F99443.AAD0B312@GrumpyvilleNOT.com,
> "Grumpy
> AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> pitchforks and torches wrote:
>>>
>>> "Suburbanaristic" <yeah_uh-hu@wohoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:yeah_uh-hu-AC8D02.18372901092006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>>>> In article <9RXJg.297$MF1.23@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
>>>> "pitchforks and torches" <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "George Kerby" <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:C11DAC11.6A4C%ghost_topper@hotmail.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/1/06 6:40 AM, in article 44f81c1c.3555953@free.teranews.com,
>>>>>> "Way
>>>>>> Back
>>>>>> Jack" <chillin'@home.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First thing you noticed were the songs played over the stadium's
>>>>>>> audio
>>>>>>> system: "South Of The Border," "El Rancho Rock," "La Bamba," and "La
>>>>>>> Cucaracha." The camera panned the fans and all you could see were
>>>>>>> people with dark hair, brown skin, small eyes, fleshy cheeks, and
>>>>>>> flabby physiques. My Gawd!! the place was lousy with Mexicans. Any
>>>>>>> white people still in Texas? Hello? It also makes you wonder how
>>>>>>> they could afford to attend a major league baseball game. Must have
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> generous welfare package in the Lone Star State.
>>>>>> That's the reason that we can't get rid of the New Orleans criminals.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> dems want the votes of those good folks so they keep 'em on the
>>>>>> payroll.
>>>>>
>>>>> That was an ignorant, racist, and Rethuglican comment to add to that
>>>>> troll
>>>>> post.
>>>>>
>>>>> But that's our Gorge. Just one of HTown's resident fascist enablers.
>>>>> You can almost smell the fear.
>>>>
>>>> Fascist enablers. Heh, good one.
>>>>
>>>> Surely you aware that NO had a bad reputation as a high-crime city,
>>>> based on, well, facts.
>>>
>>> Yes, I was/am aware. I was attacked on my honeymoon there, and lost my
>>> wallet to a gang. It took years to deal with the ID theft and subsequent
>>> clones of my personhood.
>>>>
>>>> Ya think the criminal element cleaned up their act when they moved?
>>>
>>> No. A leopard can't change its spots. HTown was victimized, but I was
>>> hoping
>>> that the evacuees would be vetted a lot more carefully by Fed, State,
>>> and
>>> local law enforcement, and the large numbers of miscreants would be
>>> segregated and dealt with. To scatter them into the general population
>>> was
>>> the real mistake. The inability of the Fed to respond by providing
>>> facilities in Louisiana for their return was the biggest mistake...
>>>
>>
>>
>> Why izzit always the "feds" responsibility to cure all our ills? Oh, I
>> know! You were brought up to suck on the endless teat, eh?
>>
>> JT
> Yep - this one was raised by a sheep. BAHHHH!

And speaking of sheep, howz that infatuation with GWB and the Rethuglican
party workin' out for ya? Are you enjoying your shearing?

In article <pqfKg.20216$kO3.8247@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>,
"pitchforks and torches" <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:

> "Suburbanaristic" <yeah_uh-hu@wohoo.com> wrote in message
> news:yeah_uh-hu-AC8D02.18372901092006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> > In article <9RXJg.297$MF1.23@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,

> > Fascist enablers. Heh, good one.
> >
> > Surely you aware that NO had a bad reputation as a high-crime city,
> > based on, well, facts.
>
> Yes, I was/am aware. I was attacked on my honeymoon there, and lost my
> wallet to a gang. It took years to deal with the ID theft and subsequent
> clones of my personhood.

Your husband didn't protect you?


> > Ya think the criminal element cleaned up their act when they moved?
>
> No. A leopard can't change its spots. HTown was victimized, but I was hoping
> that the evacuees would be vetted a lot more carefully by Fed, State, and
> local law enforcement, and the large numbers of miscreants would be
> segregated and dealt with.

Under what law? You're advocating profiling and and a host of other
possibilities that would have the ACLU, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton,
Cindy Sheehan and Ice-T in a rage.


> To scatter them into the general population was
> the real mistake. The inability of the Fed to respond by providing
> facilities in Louisiana for their return was the biggest mistake...

Yep, the Feds should have rebuilt housing projects and apartments within
two weeks. They would be ringed with barbed wire and the National Guard
- you know, to keep bad people *out*.

--
The lawless will be given wide berth: the more lawless the wider the berth.

--Wrethcard the Cat.

 
"George Kerby" <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:C11F0708.6DA1%ghost_topper@hotmail.com...
>
>
>
> On 9/2/06 8:11 AM, in article
> pqfKg.20216$kO3.8247@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com, "pitchforks and torches"
> <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Suburbanaristic" <yeah_uh-hu@wohoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:yeah_uh-hu-AC8D02.18372901092006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>>> In article <9RXJg.297$MF1.23@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
>>> "pitchforks and torches" <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "George Kerby" <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:C11DAC11.6A4C%ghost_topper@hotmail.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/1/06 6:40 AM, in article 44f81c1c.3555953@free.teranews.com, "Way
>>>>> Back
>>>>> Jack" <chillin'@home.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> First thing you noticed were the songs played over the stadium's
>>>>>> audio
>>>>>> system: "South Of The Border," "El Rancho Rock," "La Bamba," and "La
>>>>>> Cucaracha." The camera panned the fans and all you could see were
>>>>>> people with dark hair, brown skin, small eyes, fleshy cheeks, and
>>>>>> flabby physiques. My Gawd!! the place was lousy with Mexicans. Any
>>>>>> white people still in Texas? Hello? It also makes you wonder how
>>>>>> they could afford to attend a major league baseball game. Must have
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> generous welfare package in the Lone Star State.
>>>>> That's the reason that we can't get rid of the New Orleans criminals.
>>>>> The
>>>>> dems want the votes of those good folks so they keep 'em on the
>>>>> payroll.
>>>>
>>>> That was an ignorant, racist, and Rethuglican comment to add to that
>>>> troll
>>>> post.
>>>>
>>>> But that's our Gorge. Just one of HTown's resident fascist enablers.
>>>> You can almost smell the fear.
>>>
>>> Fascist enablers. Heh, good one.
>>>
>>> Surely you aware that NO had a bad reputation as a high-crime city,
>>> based on, well, facts.
>>
>> Yes, I was/am aware. I was attacked on my honeymoon there, and lost my
>> wallet to a gang.

A main street surrounded by hundreds of tourists. I wasn't packing the
equalizer that night. Bummer....
>
> Maybe if you weren't hangin' where you shouldn't, de boyz wan't have
> gotten
> their hustle on you, ya think?!?
>
> BTW: Is your "significant other" a one hump or two hump variety?

Only a crass asshole would inquire about the number of times I enjoyed the
acts of intimacy we experienced on our honeymoon. We refer to it as
lovemaking, not humping.

I like real women Gorge. You should get you one: if only you could find one
who could stomach you, rather than flinging your two dollars back in your
face.

 
"Suburbanaristic" <yeah_uh-hu@wohoo.com> wrote in message
news:yeah_uh-hu-B5059D.10190002092006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> In article <pqfKg.20216$kO3.8247@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>,
> "pitchforks and torches" <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:
>
>> "Suburbanaristic" <yeah_uh-hu@wohoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:yeah_uh-hu-AC8D02.18372901092006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>> > In article <9RXJg.297$MF1.23@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
>
>> > Fascist enablers. Heh, good one.
>> >
>> > Surely you aware that NO had a bad reputation as a high-crime city,
>> > based on, well, facts.
>>
>> Yes, I was/am aware. I was attacked on my honeymoon there, and lost my
>> wallet to a gang. It took years to deal with the ID theft and subsequent
>> clones of my personhood.
>
> Your husband didn't protect you?

Smear and fear: it's all you got left.
>
>
>> > Ya think the criminal element cleaned up their act when they moved?
>>
>> No. A leopard can't change its spots. HTown was victimized, but I was
>> hoping
>> that the evacuees would be vetted a lot more carefully by Fed, State, and
>> local law enforcement, and the large numbers of miscreants would be
>> segregated and dealt with.
>
> Under what law? You're advocating profiling and and a host of other
> possibilities that would have the ACLU, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton,
> Cindy Sheehan and Ice-T in a rage.

Been to an airport lately? Applied for a job lately? Picked your child up at
the office of any schoolhouse lately? Tried to date a smart, sophisticated
lady lately? Been stopped for rolling a redlight lately?
You ARE profiled, and your records ARE checked.
>
>
>> To scatter them into the general population was
>> the real mistake. The inability of the Fed to respond by providing
>> facilities in Louisiana for their return was the biggest mistake...
>
> Yep, the Feds should have rebuilt housing projects and apartments within
> two weeks. They would be ringed with barbed wire and the National Guard
> - you know, to keep bad people *out*.

Tents and cots are available at any miltary depot. Barbed wire can be found
at any Home Depot. If they were found to be criminals, they should not have
been dumped into our city. But there were no background checks. That was
left to the apartment management.

And they would be ringed with barbed wire and the BlackWater Mercs, you
know, to keep bad people *in*. Hell, you could toss the low-level drug
offenders outa the prisons, and had PLENTY of room to deal with the
emergency.

IF ShrubCo hadn't used the N.G. as his muscle in his illegal land-snatch,
there would have been law enforcement, material, and vehicles available to
help in this natural disaster.

On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:00:35 GMT, "pitchforks and torches"
<ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:

> IF ShrubCo hadn't used the N.G. as his muscle in his illegal land-snatch,
>there would have been law enforcement, material, and vehicles available to
>help in this natural disaster.

How Chinagate Led to 9/11

By Jean Pearce


As the 9/11 Commission tries to uncover what kept intelligence
agencies from preventing September 11, it has overlooked two vital
factors: Jamie Gorelick and Bill Clinton. Gorelick, who has browbeaten
the current administration, helped erect the walls between the FBI,
CIA and local investigators that made 9/11 inevitable. However, she
was merely expanding the policy Bill Clinton established with
Presidential Decision Directive 24. What has been little underreported
is why the policy came about: to thwart investigations into the
Chinese funding of Clinton’s re-election campaign, and the favors he
bestowed on them in return.

In April, CNSNews.com staff writer Scott Wheeler reported that a
senior U.S. government official and three other sources claimed that
the 1995 memo written by Jamie Gorelick, who served as the Clinton
Justice Department’s deputy attorney general from 1994 to 1997,
created "a roadblock" to the investigation of illegal Chinese
donations to the Democratic National Committee. But the picture is
much bigger than that. The Gorelick memo, which blocked intelligence
agents from sharing information that could have halted the September
11 hijacking plot, was only the mortar in a much larger maze of
bureaucratic walls whose creation Gorelick personally oversaw.



It’s a story the 9/11 Commission may not want to hear, and one that
Gorelick – now incredibly a member of that commission – has so far
refused to tell. But it is perhaps the most crucial one to
understanding the intentional breakdown of intelligence that led to
the September 11 disaster.



Nearly from the moment Gorelick took office in the Clinton Justice
Department, she began acting as the point woman for a large-scale
bureaucratic reorganization of intelligence agencies that ultimately
placed the gathering of intelligence, and decisions about what – if
anything – would be done with it. This entire operation was under
near-direct control of the White House. In the process, more than a
dozen CIA and FBI investigations underway at the time got caught
beneath the heel of the presidential boot, investigations that would
ultimately reveal massive Chinese espionage as millions in illegal
Chinese donations filled Democratic Party campaign coffers.



When Gorelick took office in 1994, the CIA was reeling from the news
that a Russian spy had been found in CIA ranks, and Congress was
hungry for a quick fix. A month after Gorelick was sworn in, Bill
Clinton issued Presidential Decision Directive 24. PDD 24 put
intelligence gathering under the direct control of the president’s
National Security Council, and ultimately the White House, through a
four-level, top-down chain of command set up to govern (that is,
stifle) intelligence sharing and cooperation between intelligence
agencies. From the moment the directive was implemented, intelligence
sharing became a bureaucratic nightmare that required negotiating a
befuddling bureaucracy that stopped directly at the President’s
office.



First, the directive effectively neutered the CIA by creating a
National Counterintelligence Center (NCI) to oversee the Agency. NCI
was staffed by an FBI agent appointed by the Clinton administration.
It also brought multiple international investigations underway at the
time under direct administrative control. The job of the NCI was to
“implement counterintelligence activities,” which meant that virtually
everything the CIA did, from a foreign intelligence agent’s report to
polygraph test results, now passed through the intelligence center
that PDD 24 created.



NCI reported to an administration-appointed National
Counterintelligence Operations Board (NCOB) charged with “discussing
counterintelligence matters.” The NCOB in turn reported to a National
Intelligence Policy Board, which coordinated activities between
intelligence agencies attempting to work together. The policy board
reported “directly” to the president through the Assistant to the
President for National Security Affairs.



The result was a massive bureaucratic roadblock for the CIA – which at
the time had a vast lead on the FBI in foreign intelligence – and for
the FBI itself, which was also forced to report to the NCOB. This
hampered cooperation between the two entities. All this occurred at a
time when both agencies were working separate ends of investigations
that would eventually implicate China in technology transfers and the
Democratic Party in a Chinese campaign cash grab.



And the woman charged with selling this plan to Congress, convince the
media and ultimately implement much of it? Jamie Gorelick.



Many in Congress, including some Democrats, found the changes PDD 24
put in place baffling: they seemed to do nothing to insulate the CIA
from infiltration while devastating the agency’s ability to collect
information. At the time, Democrat House Intelligence Chairman Dan
Glickman referred to the plan as “regulatory gobbledygook." Others
questioned how FBI control of CIA intelligence would foster greater
communication between the lower levels of the CIA and FBI, now that
all information would have to be run through a multi-tier bureaucratic
maze that only went upward.



Despite their doubts, Gorelick helped the administration sell the plan
on Capitol Hill. The Directive stood.



But that wasn’t good enough for the Clinton administration, which
wanted control over every criminal and intelligence investigation,
domestic and foreign, for reasons that would become apparent in a few
years. For the first time in Justice Department history, a political
appointee, Richard Scruggs – an old crony or Attorney General Janet
Reno’s from Florida – was put in charge of the Office of Intelligence
and Policy Review (OIPR). OIPR is the Justice Department agency in
charge of requesting wiretap and surveillance authority for criminal
and intelligence investigations on behalf of investigative agencies
from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court. The
court’s activities are kept secret from the public.



A year after PDD 24, with the new bureaucratic structure loaded with
administration appointees, Gorelick drafted the 1995 memo Attorney
General John Ashcroft mentioned while testifying before the 9/11
Commission. The Gorelick memo, and other supporting memos released in
recent weeks, not only created walls within the intelligence agencies
that prevented information sharing among their own agents, but
effectively walled these agencies off from each other and from outside
contact with the U.S. prosecutors instrumental in helping them gather
the evidence needed to make the case for criminal charges.



The only place left to go with intelligence information – particularly
for efforts to share intelligence information or obtain search
warrants – was straight up Clinton and Gorelick’s multi-tiered chain
of command. Instead, information lethal to the Democratic Party
languished inside the Justice Department, trapped behind Gorelick’s
walls.



The implications were enormous. In her letter of protest to Attorney
General Reno over Gorelick’s memo, United States Attorney Mary Jo
White spelled them out: “These instructions leave entirely to OIPR and
the (Justice Department) Criminal Division when, if ever, to contact
affected U.S. attorneys on investigations including terrorism and
espionage,” White wrote. (Like OIPR, the Criminal Division is also
part of the Justice Department.)



Without an enforcer, the walls might Gorelick’s memo put in place
might not have held. But Scruggs acted as that enforcer, and he
excelled at it. Scruggs maintained Gorelick’s walls between the FBI
and Justice's Criminal Division by threatening to automatically reject
any FBI request for a wiretap or search warrant if the Bureau
contacted the Justice Department's Criminal Division without
permission. This deprived the FBI, and ultimately the CIA, of
gathering advice and assistance from the Criminal Division that was
critical in espionage and terrorist cases.



It is no coincidence that this occurred at the same time both the FBI
and the CIA were churning up evidence damaging to the Democratic
Party, its fundraisers, the Chinese and ultimately the Clinton
administration itself. Between 1994 and the 1996 election, as Chinese
dollars poured into Democratic coffers, Clinton struggled to reopen
high-tech trade to China. Had agents confirmed Chinese theft of
weapons technology or its transfer of weapons technology to nations
like Pakistan, Iran and Syria, Clinton would have been forced by law
and international treaty to react.



Gorelick’s appointment to the job at Justice in 1994 occurred during a
period in which the FBI had begun to systematically investigate
technology theft by foreign powers. For the first time, these
investigations singled out the U.S. chemical, telecommunications,
aircraft and aerospace industries for intelligence collection.



By the time Gorelick wrote the March 1995 memo that sealed off
American intelligence agencies from each other and the outside world,
all of the most critical Chinagate investigations by American
intelligence agencies were already underway. Some of their findings
were damning:



In an investigation originally instigated by the CIA, the FBI was
beginning its search for the source of the leak of W-88 nuclear
warhead technology to China among the more than 1,000 people who had
access to the secrets. Despite Justice Department stonewalling and the
Department’s refusal to seek wiretap authority in 1997, the
investigation eventually led to Wen Ho Lee and the Los Alamos National
Laboratory.
The FBI first collected Extensive evidence in 1995 linking illegal
Democratic Party donations to China, according to the Congressional
Record. But Congress and the Director of the CIA didn’t find out about
the Justice Department’s failure to act upon that evidence until 1997,
safely after the 1996 election.
According to classified CIA documents leaked to the Washington Times,
between 1994 and 1997, the CIA learned that China sold Iran missile
technology, a nuclear fission reactor, advanced air-defense radar and
chemical agents. The Chinese also provided 5,000 ring magnets to
Pakistan, used in producing weapons-grade uranium. The Chinese also
provided uranium fuel for India's reactors.


In many cases the CIA resorting to leaking classified information to
the media, in an effort to bypass the administration’s blackout.



Gorelick knew these facts well. While Clinton may have refused to meet
with top CIA officials, Gorelick didn’t. According to a 1996 report by
the legal news service American Lawyer Media, Gorelick and then-Deputy
Director of the CIA George Tenet met every other week to discuss
intelligence and intelligence sharing.



But those in the Clinton administration weren’t the only ones to gain
from the secrecy. In 1994, the McDonnell Douglas Corporation
transferred military-use machine tools to the China National
Aero-Technology Import and Export Corporation that ended up in the
hands of the Chinese army. The sale occurred despite Defense
Department objections. McDonnell Douglas was a client of the Miller
Cassidy Larroca & Lewin, L.L.P. (now called Baker Botts), the
Washington, D.C., law firm where Gorelick worked for 17 years and was
a partner. Ray Larroca, another partner in the firm, represented
McDonnell in the Justice Department’s investigation of the technology
transfer.



In 1995, General Electric, a former client of Gorelick’s, also had
much to lose if the damaging information the CIA and the FBI had
reached Congress. At the time, GE was publicly lobbying for a
lucrative permit to assist the Chinese in replacing coal-fired power
stations with nuclear plants. A 1990 law required that the president
certify to Congress that China was not aiding in nuclear proliferation
before U.S. companies could execute the business agreement.



Moreover, in 1995, Michael Armstrong, then the CEO of Hughes
Electronics – a division of General Electric and another client of
Miller Cassidy Larroca & Lewin – was publicly lobbying Clinton to
switch satellite export controls from the State Department to the
Commerce Department. After the controls were lifted, Hughes and
another company gave sensitive data to the Chinese, equipment a
Pentagon study later concluded would allow China to develop
intercontinental and submarine-launched ballistic missiles aimed at
American targets. Miller Cassidy Larroca & Lewin partner Randall Turk
represented Hughes in the Congressional, State Department, and Justice
Department investigations that resulted.



The Cox Report, which detailed Chinese espionage for Congress during
the period, revealed that FBI surveillance caught Chinese officials
frantically trying to keep Democratic donor Johnny Chung from
divulging any information that would be damaging to Hughes
Electronics. Chung funneled $300,000 in illegal contributions from the
Chinese military to the DNC between 1994 and 1996.



It was this web of investigations that led Gorelick and Bill Clinton
to erect the wall between intelligence agencies that resulted in the
toppling of the Twin Towers. The connections go on and on, but they
all lead back to Gorelick, the one person who could best explain how
the Clinton administration neutered the American intelligence agencies
that could have stopped the September 11 plot. Yet another high crime
will have been committed if the September 11 Commission doesn’t demand
testimony from her.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In article <DUhKg.13907$%j7.2631@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>,
"pitchforks and torches" <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:

> "Suburbanaristic" <yeah_uh-hu@wohoo.com> wrote in message
> news:yeah_uh-hu-B5059D.10190002092006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> > In article <pqfKg.20216$kO3.8247@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>,
> > "pitchforks and torches" <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Suburbanaristic" <yeah_uh-hu@wohoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:yeah_uh-hu-AC8D02.18372901092006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> >> > In article <9RXJg.297$MF1.23@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
> >
> >> > Fascist enablers. Heh, good one.
> >> >
> >> > Surely you aware that NO had a bad reputation as a high-crime city,
> >> > based on, well, facts.
> >>
> >> Yes, I was/am aware. I was attacked on my honeymoon there, and lost my
> >> wallet to a gang. It took years to deal with the ID theft and subsequent
> >> clones of my personhood.
> >
> > Your husband didn't protect you?
>
> Smear and fear: it's all you got left.

Awwww, can't handle a little dig?

> >
> >> > Ya think the criminal element cleaned up their act when they moved?
> >>
> >> No. A leopard can't change its spots. HTown was victimized, but I was
> >> hoping
> >> that the evacuees would be vetted a lot more carefully by Fed, State, and
> >> local law enforcement, and the large numbers of miscreants would be
> >> segregated and dealt with.
> >
> > Under what law? You're advocating profiling and and a host of other
> > possibilities that would have the ACLU, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton,
> > Cindy Sheehan and Ice-T in a rage.
>
> Been to an airport lately? Applied for a job lately? Picked your child up at
> the office of any schoolhouse lately? Tried to date a smart, sophisticated
> lady lately? Been stopped for rolling a redlight lately?
> You ARE profiled, and your records ARE checked.

Duh.

It's not the process of profiling, but the results you seemingly
propose, that are a bit contitutionally suspect.


> >> To scatter them into the general population was
> >> the real mistake. The inability of the Fed to respond by providing
> >> facilities in Louisiana for their return was the biggest mistake...
> >
> > Yep, the Feds should have rebuilt housing projects and apartments within
> > two weeks. They would be ringed with barbed wire and the National Guard
> > - you know, to keep bad people *out*.
>
> Tents and cots are available at any miltary depot. Barbed wire can be found
> at any Home Depot. If they were found to be criminals, they should not have
> been dumped into our city. But there were no background checks. That was
> left to the apartment management.

Hate to break this to you, but US citizens are free to travel or
re-locate where they choose, with certain restrictions. It's a bit
difficult for Texas government to bar people at the border.

> And they would be ringed with barbed wire and the BlackWater Mercs, you
> know, to keep bad people *in*. Hell, you could toss the low-level drug
> offenders outa the prisons, and had PLENTY of room to deal with the
> emergency.

Wow, you want to imprison someone for being in the path of a hurricane?
This is getting interesting.
>
> IF ShrubCo hadn't used the N.G. as his muscle in his illegal land-snatch,
> there would have been law enforcement, material, and vehicles available to
> help in this natural disaster.

Illegal land-snatch? Huh?

The US has plenty of money - that isn't what kept local officials from
issuing timely evacuation orders, as Bush had suggested early on.
Federal monies didn't keep people from evacuating, but it did go to spur
the economy at Huoston titty bars and Best Buy.

--
The lawless will be given wide berth: the more lawless the wider the berth.

--Wrethcard the Cat.

 
"Bush, A Lesser Of Evils" <Lib'sNemesis@home.org> wrote in message
news:44f9ae17.20953750@news.newshosting.com...
> On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:00:35 GMT, "pitchforks and torches"
> <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:
>
>> IF ShrubCo hadn't used the N.G. as his muscle in his illegal land-snatch,
>>there would have been law enforcement, material, and vehicles available to
>>help in this natural disaster.
>
> How Chinagate Led to 9/11
>
> By Jean Pearce

Holy Shit! A trogdolite masters the driveby cut'n'paste.
I hope your knuckles weren't skinned bloody in the attempt....

But I remember the Hart-Rudman Report presented to congress and ShrubCo upon
their theft of the WhiteHouse: would you like a little taste, eh?

'Bush administration officials told former Sens. Gary Hart, D-Colo., and
Warren Rudman, R-N.H., that they preferred instead to put aside the
recommendations issued in the January report by the U.S. Commission on
National Security/21st Century. Instead, the White House announced in May
that it would have Vice President Dick Cheney study the potential problem of
domestic terrorism -- which the bipartisan group had already spent two and a
half years studying -- while assigning responsibility for dealing with the
issue to the Federal Emergency Management Agency, headed by former Bush
campaign manager Joe Allbaugh.

The Hart-Rudman Commission had specifically recommended that the issue of
terrorism was such a threat it needed far more than FEMA's attention.

Before the White House decided to go in its own direction, Congress seemed
to be taking the commission's suggestions seriously, according to Hart and
Rudman. "Frankly, the White House shut it down," Hart says. "The president
said 'Please wait, we're going to turn this over to the vice president. We
believe FEMA is competent to coordinate this effort.' And so Congress moved
on to other things, like tax cuts and the issue of the day."

"We predicted it," Hart says of Tuesday's horrific events. "We said
Americans will likely die on American soil, possibly in large numbers --
that's a quote (from the commission's Phase One Report) from the fall of
1999."

<snip>

more... http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2001/09/12/bu... /

 
"Suburbanaristic" <yeah_uh-hu@wohoo.com> wrote in message
news:yeah_uh-hu-1910AB.11180802092006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> In article <DUhKg.13907$%j7.2631@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>,
> "pitchforks and torches" <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:
>
>> "Suburbanaristic" <yeah_uh-hu@wohoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:yeah_uh-hu-B5059D.10190002092006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>> > In article <pqfKg.20216$kO3.8247@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>,
>> > "pitchforks and torches" <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Suburbanaristic" <yeah_uh-hu@wohoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:yeah_uh-hu-AC8D02.18372901092006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>> >> > In article <9RXJg.297$MF1.23@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
>> >
>> >> > Fascist enablers. Heh, good one.
>> >> >
>> >> > Surely you aware that NO had a bad reputation as a high-crime city,
>> >> > based on, well, facts.
>> >>
>> >> Yes, I was/am aware. I was attacked on my honeymoon there, and lost my
>> >> wallet to a gang. It took years to deal with the ID theft and
>> >> subsequent
>> >> clones of my personhood.
>> >
>> > Your husband didn't protect you?
>>
>> Smear and fear: it's all you got left.
>
> Awwww, can't handle a little dig?

Naw. I just hate fascist enablers, thas all.
>
>> >
>> >> > Ya think the criminal element cleaned up their act when they moved?
>> >>
>> >> No. A leopard can't change its spots. HTown was victimized, but I was
>> >> hoping
>> >> that the evacuees would be vetted a lot more carefully by Fed, State,
>> >> and
>> >> local law enforcement, and the large numbers of miscreants would be
>> >> segregated and dealt with.
>> >
>> > Under what law? You're advocating profiling and and a host of other
>> > possibilities that would have the ACLU, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton,
>> > Cindy Sheehan and Ice-T in a rage.
>>
>> Been to an airport lately? Applied for a job lately? Picked your child up
>> at
>> the office of any schoolhouse lately? Tried to date a smart,
>> sophisticated
>> lady lately? Been stopped for rolling a redlight lately?
>> You ARE profiled, and your records ARE checked.
>
> Duh.
>
> It's not the process of profiling, but the results you seemingly
> propose, that are a bit contitutionally suspect.

If you do the crime, prepare to do the time. If they were wanted, jail 'em.
If they had a criminal history, segragate 'em, watch 'em like a hawk,
and take advantage of the first chance to repatriate them.
>
>
>> >> To scatter them into the general population was
>> >> the real mistake. The inability of the Fed to respond by providing
>> >> facilities in Louisiana for their return was the biggest mistake...
>> >
>> > Yep, the Feds should have rebuilt housing projects and apartments
>> > within
>> > two weeks. They would be ringed with barbed wire and the National Guard
>> > - you know, to keep bad people *out*.
>>
>> Tents and cots are available at any miltary depot. Barbed wire can be
>> found
>> at any Home Depot. If they were found to be criminals, they should not
>> have
>> been dumped into our city. But there were no background checks. That was
>> left to the apartment management.
>
> Hate to break this to you, but US citizens are free to travel or
> re-locate where they choose, with certain restrictions. It's a bit
> difficult for Texas government to bar people at the border.

But once they are here, there's nothing barring background checks PRIOR to
allowing them shelter or services here. Just like HTown's policies on
Section 8 assistance.
>
>> And they would be ringed with barbed wire and the BlackWater Mercs, you
>> know, to keep bad people *in*. Hell, you could toss the low-level drug
>> offenders outa the prisons, and had PLENTY of room to deal with the
>> emergency.
>
> Wow, you want to imprison someone for being in the path of a hurricane?
> This is getting interesting.

Just those who are wanted, and those with a criminal history, and those
whose reliance on public assistance that would suggest that they weren't
here to become citizens and workers. Then, ship 'em back to La. as fast as
possible to a La. camp with similar
acoutrements.
>>
>> IF ShrubCo hadn't used the N.G. as his muscle in his illegal
>> land-snatch,
>> there would have been law enforcement, material, and vehicles available
>> to
>> help in this natural disaster.
>
> Illegal land-snatch? Huh?

See 'Iraq'.
>
> The US has plenty of money - that isn't what kept local officials from
> issuing timely evacuation orders, -

as was done...

> as Bush had suggested early on.
> Federal monies didn't keep people from evacuating,

Nor did it help. NG amphibious vehicles and heavy trucks could have been
useful - but they were in Iraq.

> but it did go to spur
> the economy at Huoston titty bars and Best Buy.

When I hire a new employee, I do a background check. It's not hard....

On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:23:37 GMT, "pitchforks and torches"
<ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:

The lying left in action again. And of course the sheep that
Americans have become will buy into it.
______________

Katrina, lies and videotape
By Star Parker
Monday, August 28, 2006

Spike Lee took his cameras and crew to New Orleans to film a
documentary about Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath. The four-hour
production, which aired on HBO, is, unfortunately, about as
destructive as was the disaster it depicts.

At a time when we need light and understanding, Lee has delivered
darkness, anger and hatred. Those who will be hurt the most by the
distorted and untruthful picture that Lee has concocted are the poor
blacks he purports to want to help.

(...)

The film commits egregious journalistic sins of commission and
omission, carefully selecting and editing footage to indict Bush,
including only commentators who support the conclusions that Lee had
already reached, and selectively omitting reams of information
relevant to the complex truth of what actually happened.

Since Lee already knew the truth, he didn't have much need to examine
material such as "A Failure of Initiative," Congress' investigation
into Katrina, which shows failure and breakdown at all levels of
government _ local, state and federal. It also was of little interest
to Lee that primary responsibility for disaster preparation and
management is at the level of local and state government, not federal.


But New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin comes off in the production as just
one cool dude. He shows up at regular intervals over the four-hour
production, talking New Orleans jive and being one straightforward
sincere guy who was trying to do his job.

No mention is made of the hurricane simulations and emergency
evacuation plans that he totally ignored. No reference is made to the
famous picture of the parking lot filled with flooded school buses
that Nagin chose not to use to evacuate residents in poor areas.

Central to the Katrina story is the failure of the levees. Indeed,
Lee's film is called "When the Levees Broke."

But who is responsible for ignoring the warnings over the years that
the levees protecting New Orleans were inadequate? Bush? Of course
not.

It was Louisiana's congressional delegation that was responsible to
ensure that their constituents' interests were being represented and
that funds were being appropriated to fix sub-standard levees. But not
a single Louisiana senator or congressman is ever mentioned or appears
in "When the Levees Broke."


William Jefferson, New Orleans' congressman for the last 16 years, has
been under FBI investigation over the last year under bribery charges.
However, Jefferson is a Democrat and a member of the Congressional
Black Caucus. To shine a light on his possible, and likely, neglect of
representing his constituents' interests would have distracted from
the single message that Bush was the evil genius behind this tragedy.

Of course, no mention is made of Jefferson's trip home, when he
commandeered a National Guard truck in the middle of rescue efforts to
take him to his house to retrieve personal property.

(...)

After showing what appears to be a disengaged Bush, assuring that help
is on the way, Lee pans, in contrast, to Harry Belafonte, who talks
about the generous offers of help that came from President Hugo Chavez
of Venezuela.

I have written previously of the love of affair of the black left,
particularly the Rev. Jesse Jackson, with Third World dictators. There
is virtually no freedom of the press and speech in Venezuela. If Lee
were a citizen of Venezuela and made a similar film attacking Chavez,
he would disappear forever after the first showing.

Perhaps most sad is that in four hours Lee has nothing positive to say
about America and Americans. No mention is made of the $700 million
from private citizens and churches that were committed in the first
few days of the tragedy. No mention is made of the thousands of homes
across the nation that welcomed evacuees. No mention is made of the
tens of thousands who have successfully rebuilt their lives.

Spike Lee clearly has little affection for the country that gives him
free expression and has made him wealthy. He has produced a
self-indulgent, deceitful and exploitive film about a tragedy. His
message will give poor blacks more reasons to feel powerless, to feel
lost, to feel that others bear responsibility for their lives, to
hate, and to stay poor.

http://tinyurl.com/peync

 

pitchforks and torches wrote:
>
> "George Kerby" <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:C11F0567.6D9D%ghost_topper@hotmail.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/2/06 9:22 AM, in article 44F99443.AAD0B312@GrumpyvilleNOT.com,
> > "Grumpy
> > AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> pitchforks and torches wrote:
> >>>
> >>> "Suburbanaristic" <yeah_uh-hu@wohoo.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:yeah_uh-hu-AC8D02.18372901092006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> >>>> In article <9RXJg.297$MF1.23@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
> >>>> "pitchforks and torches" <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> "George Kerby" <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:C11DAC11.6A4C%ghost_topper@hotmail.com...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 9/1/06 6:40 AM, in article 44f81c1c.3555953@free.teranews.com,
> >>>>>> "Way
> >>>>>> Back
> >>>>>> Jack" <chillin'@home.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> First thing you noticed were the songs played over the stadium's
> >>>>>>> audio
> >>>>>>> system: "South Of The Border," "El Rancho Rock," "La Bamba," and "La
> >>>>>>> Cucaracha." The camera panned the fans and all you could see were
> >>>>>>> people with dark hair, brown skin, small eyes, fleshy cheeks, and
> >>>>>>> flabby physiques. My Gawd!! the place was lousy with Mexicans. Any
> >>>>>>> white people still in Texas? Hello? It also makes you wonder how
> >>>>>>> they could afford to attend a major league baseball game. Must have
> >>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>> generous welfare package in the Lone Star State.
> >>>>>> That's the reason that we can't get rid of the New Orleans criminals.
> >>>>>> The
> >>>>>> dems want the votes of those good folks so they keep 'em on the
> >>>>>> payroll.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That was an ignorant, racist, and Rethuglican comment to add to that
> >>>>> troll
> >>>>> post.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But that's our Gorge. Just one of HTown's resident fascist enablers.
> >>>>> You can almost smell the fear.
> >>>>
> >>>> Fascist enablers. Heh, good one.
> >>>>
> >>>> Surely you aware that NO had a bad reputation as a high-crime city,
> >>>> based on, well, facts.
> >>>
> >>> Yes, I was/am aware. I was attacked on my honeymoon there, and lost my
> >>> wallet to a gang. It took years to deal with the ID theft and subsequent
> >>> clones of my personhood.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ya think the criminal element cleaned up their act when they moved?
> >>>
> >>> No. A leopard can't change its spots. HTown was victimized, but I was
> >>> hoping
> >>> that the evacuees would be vetted a lot more carefully by Fed, State,
> >>> and
> >>> local law enforcement, and the large numbers of miscreants would be
> >>> segregated and dealt with. To scatter them into the general population
> >>> was
> >>> the real mistake. The inability of the Fed to respond by providing
> >>> facilities in Louisiana for their return was the biggest mistake...
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Why izzit always the "feds" responsibility to cure all our ills? Oh, I
> >> know! You were brought up to suck on the endless teat, eh?
> >>
> >> JT
> > Yep - this one was raised by a sheep. BAHHHH!
>
> And speaking of sheep, howz that infatuation with GWB and the Rethuglican
> party workin' out for ya? Are you enjoying your shearing?


I am no fan of GWB but I do respect the practice of personal
responsibility, a practice BTW seldom observed in the nanny based
liberal world.

Should the Democrats produce a viable candidate, my support will be forthcoming...

JT

 

pitchforks and torches wrote:
>
> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in message
> news:44F99443.AAD0B312@GrumpyvilleNOT.com...
> >
> >
> > pitchforks and torches wrote:
> >>
> >> "Suburbanaristic" <yeah_uh-hu@wohoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:yeah_uh-hu-AC8D02.18372901092006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> >> > In article <9RXJg.297$MF1.23@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
> >> > "pitchforks and torches" <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "George Kerby" <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:C11DAC11.6A4C%ghost_topper@hotmail.com...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On 9/1/06 6:40 AM, in article 44f81c1c.3555953@free.teranews.com,
> >> >> > "Way
> >> >> > Back
> >> >> > Jack" <chillin'@home.net> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> First thing you noticed were the songs played over the stadium's
> >> >> >> audio
> >> >> >> system: "South Of The Border," "El Rancho Rock," "La Bamba," and
> >> >> >> "La
> >> >> >> Cucaracha." The camera panned the fans and all you could see were
> >> >> >> people with dark hair, brown skin, small eyes, fleshy cheeks, and
> >> >> >> flabby physiques. My Gawd!! the place was lousy with Mexicans.
> >> >> >> Any
> >> >> >> white people still in Texas? Hello? It also makes you wonder how
> >> >> >> they could afford to attend a major league baseball game. Must
> >> >> >> have a
> >> >> >> generous welfare package in the Lone Star State.
> >> >> > That's the reason that we can't get rid of the New Orleans
> >> >> > criminals.
> >> >> > The
> >> >> > dems want the votes of those good folks so they keep 'em on the
> >> >> > payroll.
> >> >>
> >> >> That was an ignorant, racist, and Rethuglican comment to add to that
> >> >> troll
> >> >> post.
> >> >>
> >> >> But that's our Gorge. Just one of HTown's resident fascist enablers.
> >> >> You can almost smell the fear.
> >> >
> >> > Fascist enablers. Heh, good one.
> >> >
> >> > Surely you aware that NO had a bad reputation as a high-crime city,
> >> > based on, well, facts.
> >>
> >> Yes, I was/am aware. I was attacked on my honeymoon there, and lost my
> >> wallet to a gang. It took years to deal with the ID theft and subsequent
> >> clones of my personhood.
> >> >
> >> > Ya think the criminal element cleaned up their act when they moved?
> >>
> >> No. A leopard can't change its spots. HTown was victimized, but I was
> >> hoping
> >> that the evacuees would be vetted a lot more carefully by Fed, State, and
> >> local law enforcement, and the large numbers of miscreants would be
> >> segregated and dealt with. To scatter them into the general population
> >> was
> >> the real mistake. The inability of the Fed to respond by providing
> >> facilities in Louisiana for their return was the biggest mistake...
> >>
> >
> >
> > Why izzit always the "feds" responsibility to cure all our ills? Oh, I
> > know! You were brought up to suck on the endless teat, eh?
>
> I stand by my opinion: the feds. could have done the one thing they do well.
> Law Enforcement record keeping. They could have helped the locals by
> providing their computer records and systems to vet and cull the good guys
> from the bad boys. See NCIC 2000 for a hint. Don't you remember back in high
> school when you were threatened with 'This is going on your permanent
> record'? Well, it did.
>


Oh sure, all of which would have to be done (according to your timeline)
within a few hours for thousands of people.

Do ANY of you libs have any sense of reality???

JT

In article <LriKg.13915$%j7.11222@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>,
"pitchforks and torches" <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:

> "Suburbanaristic" <yeah_uh-hu@wohoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > Awwww, can't handle a little dig?
>
> Naw. I just hate fascist enablers, thas all.

Flowery language.

What does it actually mean, are we supporting bin-Laden again?


> >
> > It's not the process of profiling, but the results you seemingly
> > propose, that are a bit contitutionally suspect.
>
> If you do the crime, prepare to do the time. If they were wanted, jail 'em.
> If they had a criminal history, segragate 'em, watch 'em like a hawk,
> and take advantage of the first chance to repatriate them.

You're suggesting having a criminal history alone is a crime itself,
worthy of segregation and even jail? Sounds a bit fascist.


> >
> > Hate to break this to you, but US citizens are free to travel or
> > re-locate where they choose, with certain restrictions. It's a bit
> > difficult for Texas government to bar people at the border.
>
> But once they are here, there's nothing barring background checks PRIOR to
> allowing them shelter or services here. Just like HTown's policies on
> Section 8 assistance.

That's a valid point, but what would you do with those who subject to
section 8 restrictions who were caught in Katrina, jail them? For what?

> >> And they would be ringed with barbed wire and the BlackWater Mercs, you
> >> know, to keep bad people *in*. Hell, you could toss the low-level drug
> >> offenders outa the prisons, and had PLENTY of room to deal with the
> >> emergency.
> >
> > Wow, you want to imprison someone for being in the path of a hurricane?
> > This is getting interesting.
>
> Just those who are wanted, and those with a criminal history

There's a distinction, you know. I think you're promoting a doctrine of
pre-emption based on past behavior.

> and those
> whose reliance on public assistance that would suggest that they weren't
> here to become citizens and workers. Then, ship 'em back to La. as fast as
> possible to a La. camp with similar
> acoutrements.

What if they choose not to go where you tell them to? Under what law
would you evict US citizens from a state?


> >> IF ShrubCo hadn't used the N.G. as his muscle in his illegal
> >> land-snatch,
> >> there would have been law enforcement, material, and vehicles available
> >> to
> >> help in this natural disaster.
> >
> > Illegal land-snatch? Huh?
>
> See 'Iraq'.

I see. Pre-emptive measures against a possible foreign threat are
verbotten, but pre-emptive detentionor "deportation" of US citizens
with criminal pasts is ok. After all, Saddam just wanted nasty weapons
and alliances against the country, he wasn't after your Jetta.


> > The US has plenty of money - that isn't what kept local officials from
> > issuing timely evacuation orders, -
>
> as was done...

Not quite. It might have been more effective if the locals had taken the
Pres's advice at the time he offered it. He couldn't force them to -
that would be a fascist act.

> > as Bush had suggested early on.
> > Federal monies didn't keep people from evacuating,
>
> Nor did it help. NG amphibious vehicles and heavy trucks could have been
> useful - but they were in Iraq.

We have plenty of vehicles stateside, that wasn't the problem. Timely
requests for same were the problem. The Feds made it clear early on that
the Governor could permit the use of these resources, which isn't a
function of Federal government.

> > but it did go to spur
> > the economy at Huoston titty bars and Best Buy.
>
> When I hire a new employee, I do a background check. It's not hard....

So, in summation, you'd deny relief or aid to anyone with a criminal
record? Leave 'em in NO? Round 'em up?

Jeez, that would have probably left three or four people who qualified.

--
The lawless will be given wide berth: the more lawless the wider the berth.

--Wrethcard the Cat.

 
"Bush, A Lesser Of Evils" <nospam@home.org> wrote in message
news:44f9b69a.23132812@news.newshosting.com...
> On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:23:37 GMT, "pitchforks and torches"
> <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:
>
> The lying left in action again. And of course the sheep that
> Americans have become will buy into it.
> ______________
>
> Katrina, lies and videotape
> By Star Parker
> Monday, August 28, 2006

TownHall.com? You sourced your cut'n'run ...er cut'n'paste on freepin' Town
Hall?
Geezus...... here's a fair review
http://www.newyorker.com/critics/cinema/articles/060904crci_cinema

You really should watch 'When the Levees Broke', and perhaps learn a thing
or two.
Spike is fair spreading the blame for the failures of Government - both Dem.
and Rep.
When the levees broke, Shrubs credibility was washed away....


Did you object to the color of the film-maker, or is the truth of the
message too harsh?

Let's face it: the entire ShrubCo crime family has to go, and soon.

 
"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in message
news:44F9BC86.F72D52D7@GrumpyvilleNOT.com...
>
>
> pitchforks and torches wrote:
>>
>> "George Kerby" <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:C11F0567.6D9D%ghost_topper@hotmail.com...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 9/2/06 9:22 AM, in article 44F99443.AAD0B312@GrumpyvilleNOT.com,
>> > "Grumpy
>> > AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> pitchforks and torches wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> "Suburbanaristic" <yeah_uh-hu@wohoo.com> wrote in message
>> >>> news:yeah_uh-hu-AC8D02.18372901092006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>> >>>> In article <9RXJg.297$MF1.23@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
>> >>>> "pitchforks and torches" <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> "George Kerby" <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>> news:C11DAC11.6A4C%ghost_topper@hotmail.com...
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 9/1/06 6:40 AM, in article 44f81c1c.3555953@free.teranews.com,
>> >>>>>> "Way
>> >>>>>> Back
>> >>>>>> Jack" <chillin'@home.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> First thing you noticed were the songs played over the stadium's
>> >>>>>>> audio
>> >>>>>>> system: "South Of The Border," "El Rancho Rock," "La Bamba," and
>> >>>>>>> "La
>> >>>>>>> Cucaracha." The camera panned the fans and all you could see
>> >>>>>>> were
>> >>>>>>> people with dark hair, brown skin, small eyes, fleshy cheeks, and
>> >>>>>>> flabby physiques. My Gawd!! the place was lousy with Mexicans.
>> >>>>>>> Any
>> >>>>>>> white people still in Texas? Hello? It also makes you wonder
>> >>>>>>> how
>> >>>>>>> they could afford to attend a major league baseball game. Must
>> >>>>>>> have
>> >>>>>>> a
>> >>>>>>> generous welfare package in the Lone Star State.
>> >>>>>> That's the reason that we can't get rid of the New Orleans
>> >>>>>> criminals.
>> >>>>>> The
>> >>>>>> dems want the votes of those good folks so they keep 'em on the
>> >>>>>> payroll.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> That was an ignorant, racist, and Rethuglican comment to add to
>> >>>>> that
>> >>>>> troll
>> >>>>> post.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> But that's our Gorge. Just one of HTown's resident fascist
>> >>>>> enablers.
>> >>>>> You can almost smell the fear.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Fascist enablers. Heh, good one.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Surely you aware that NO had a bad reputation as a high-crime city,
>> >>>> based on, well, facts.
>> >>>
>> >>> Yes, I was/am aware. I was attacked on my honeymoon there, and lost
>> >>> my
>> >>> wallet to a gang. It took years to deal with the ID theft and
>> >>> subsequent
>> >>> clones of my personhood.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Ya think the criminal element cleaned up their act when they moved?
>> >>>
>> >>> No. A leopard can't change its spots. HTown was victimized, but I was
>> >>> hoping
>> >>> that the evacuees would be vetted a lot more carefully by Fed, State,
>> >>> and
>> >>> local law enforcement, and the large numbers of miscreants would be
>> >>> segregated and dealt with. To scatter them into the general
>> >>> population
>> >>> was
>> >>> the real mistake. The inability of the Fed to respond by providing
>> >>> facilities in Louisiana for their return was the biggest mistake...
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Why izzit always the "feds" responsibility to cure all our ills? Oh,
>> >> I
>> >> know! You were brought up to suck on the endless teat, eh?
>> >>
>> >> JT
>> > Yep - this one was raised by a sheep. BAHHHH!
>>
>> And speaking of sheep, howz that infatuation with GWB and the Rethuglican
>> party workin' out for ya? Are you enjoying your shearing?
>
>
> I am no fan of GWB but I do respect the practice of personal
> responsibility, a practice BTW seldom observed in the nanny based
> liberal world.

I respect personal responsibility. I object to corporations getting welfare
and skipping on their tax obligations while they are gutting us, saddling us
with enormous debts, outsourcing our jobs, wrecking our manufacturing base,
robbing our children of their futures, and destroying our only home, planet
Earth.

It is time to destroy the criminal enterprise of the
Industrial/Media/GOVERNMENT
complex, and demand a little corporate/government responsibilty.

It IS an act of personal responsibility, and our public responsibility, to
demand that the entire Fascist cabal be impeached, indicted, and imprisoned.
>
> Should the Democrats produce a viable candidate, my support will be
> forthcoming...

Check out General Clark....he would make a fine candidate.

>
> JT

 
"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in message
news:44F9BCEB.9D2683AF@GrumpyvilleNOT.com...
>
>
> pitchforks and torches wrote:
>>
>> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in message
>> news:44F99443.AAD0B312@GrumpyvilleNOT.com...
>> >
>> >
>> > pitchforks and torches wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "Suburbanaristic" <yeah_uh-hu@wohoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:yeah_uh-hu-AC8D02.18372901092006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>> >> > In article <9RXJg.297$MF1.23@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
>> >> > "pitchforks and torches" <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "George Kerby" <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:C11DAC11.6A4C%ghost_topper@hotmail.com...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On 9/1/06 6:40 AM, in article 44f81c1c.3555953@free.teranews.com,
>> >> >> > "Way
>> >> >> > Back
>> >> >> > Jack" <chillin'@home.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> First thing you noticed were the songs played over the stadium's
>> >> >> >> audio
>> >> >> >> system: "South Of The Border," "El Rancho Rock," "La Bamba," and
>> >> >> >> "La
>> >> >> >> Cucaracha." The camera panned the fans and all you could see
>> >> >> >> were
>> >> >> >> people with dark hair, brown skin, small eyes, fleshy cheeks,
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> flabby physiques. My Gawd!! the place was lousy with Mexicans.
>> >> >> >> Any
>> >> >> >> white people still in Texas? Hello? It also makes you wonder
>> >> >> >> how
>> >> >> >> they could afford to attend a major league baseball game. Must
>> >> >> >> have a
>> >> >> >> generous welfare package in the Lone Star State.
>> >> >> > That's the reason that we can't get rid of the New Orleans
>> >> >> > criminals.
>> >> >> > The
>> >> >> > dems want the votes of those good folks so they keep 'em on the
>> >> >> > payroll.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> That was an ignorant, racist, and Rethuglican comment to add to
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> troll
>> >> >> post.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> But that's our Gorge. Just one of HTown's resident fascist
>> >> >> enablers.
>> >> >> You can almost smell the fear.
>> >> >
>> >> > Fascist enablers. Heh, good one.
>> >> >
>> >> > Surely you aware that NO had a bad reputation as a high-crime city,
>> >> > based on, well, facts.
>> >>
>> >> Yes, I was/am aware. I was attacked on my honeymoon there, and lost my
>> >> wallet to a gang. It took years to deal with the ID theft and
>> >> subsequent
>> >> clones of my personhood.
>> >> >
>> >> > Ya think the criminal element cleaned up their act when they moved?
>> >>
>> >> No. A leopard can't change its spots. HTown was victimized, but I was
>> >> hoping
>> >> that the evacuees would be vetted a lot more carefully by Fed, State,
>> >> and
>> >> local law enforcement, and the large numbers of miscreants would be
>> >> segregated and dealt with. To scatter them into the general population
>> >> was
>> >> the real mistake. The inability of the Fed to respond by providing
>> >> facilities in Louisiana for their return was the biggest mistake...
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Why izzit always the "feds" responsibility to cure all our ills? Oh, I
>> > know! You were brought up to suck on the endless teat, eh?
>>
>> I stand by my opinion: the feds. could have done the one thing they do
>> well.
>> Law Enforcement record keeping. They could have helped the locals by
>> providing their computer records and systems to vet and cull the good
>> guys
>> from the bad boys. See NCIC 2000 for a hint. Don't you remember back in
>> high
>> school when you were threatened with 'This is going on your permanent
>> record'? Well, it did.
>>
>
>
> Oh sure, all of which would have to be done (according to your timeline)
> within a few hours for thousands of people.

My laptop worked fine at the Reliant stadium: The FEMA computers worked
well, too.When I hire a new employee, I can easily do a background check.
Why didn't 'our' government?
>
> Do ANY of you libs have any sense of reality???

I'm soaking in it!
>
> JT

 


On 9/2/06 10:06 AM, in article
C5hKg.13896$%j7.3831@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net, "pitchforks and torches"
<ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:

>
> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in message
> news:44F99443.AAD0B312@GrumpyvilleNOT.com...
>>
>>
>> pitchforks and torches wrote:
>>>
>>> "Suburbanaristic" <yeah_uh-hu@wohoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:yeah_uh-hu-AC8D02.18372901092006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>>>> In article <9RXJg.297$MF1.23@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
>>>> "pitchforks and torches" <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "George Kerby" <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:C11DAC11.6A4C%ghost_topper@hotmail.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/1/06 6:40 AM, in article 44f81c1c.3555953@free.teranews.com,
>>>>>> "Way
>>>>>> Back
>>>>>> Jack" <chillin'@home.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First thing you noticed were the songs played over the stadium's
>>>>>>> audio
>>>>>>> system: "South Of The Border," "El Rancho Rock," "La Bamba," and
>>>>>>> "La
>>>>>>> Cucaracha." The camera panned the fans and all you could see were
>>>>>>> people with dark hair, brown skin, small eyes, fleshy cheeks, and
>>>>>>> flabby physiques. My Gawd!! the place was lousy with Mexicans.
>>>>>>> Any
>>>>>>> white people still in Texas? Hello? It also makes you wonder how
>>>>>>> they could afford to attend a major league baseball game. Must
>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>> generous welfare package in the Lone Star State.
>>>>>> That's the reason that we can't get rid of the New Orleans
>>>>>> criminals.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> dems want the votes of those good folks so they keep 'em on the
>>>>>> payroll.
>>>>>
>>>>> That was an ignorant, racist, and Rethuglican comment to add to that
>>>>> troll
>>>>> post.
>>>>>
>>>>> But that's our Gorge. Just one of HTown's resident fascist enablers.
>>>>> You can almost smell the fear.
>>>>
>>>> Fascist enablers. Heh, good one.
>>>>
>>>> Surely you aware that NO had a bad reputation as a high-crime city,
>>>> based on, well, facts.
>>>
>>> Yes, I was/am aware. I was attacked on my honeymoon there, and lost my
>>> wallet to a gang. It took years to deal with the ID theft and subsequent
>>> clones of my personhood.
>>>>
>>>> Ya think the criminal element cleaned up their act when they moved?
>>>
>>> No. A leopard can't change its spots. HTown was victimized, but I was
>>> hoping
>>> that the evacuees would be vetted a lot more carefully by Fed, State, and
>>> local law enforcement, and the large numbers of miscreants would be
>>> segregated and dealt with. To scatter them into the general population
>>> was
>>> the real mistake. The inability of the Fed to respond by providing
>>> facilities in Louisiana for their return was the biggest mistake...
>>>
>>
>>
>> Why izzit always the "feds" responsibility to cure all our ills? Oh, I
>> know! You were brought up to suck on the endless teat, eh?
>
> Don't you remember back in high
> school when you were threatened with 'This is going on your permanent
> record'? Well, it did.
>
Actually, you may not believe it, but most normal students were never
threatened with that, only malcontents such as yourself and those with whom
you associate. Projection is a Bitch, ain't it?!?


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On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 17:24:10 GMT, "pitchforks and torches"
<ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:

>
>"Bush, A Lesser Of Evils" <nospam@home.org> wrote in message
>news:44f9b69a.23132812@news.newshosting.com...
>> On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:23:37 GMT, "pitchforks and torches"
>> <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:
>>
>> The lying left in action again. And of course the sheep that
>> Americans have become will buy into it.
>> ______________
>>
>> Katrina, lies and videotape
>> By Star Parker
>> Monday, August 28, 2006
>
>TownHall.com? You sourced your cut'n'run ...er cut'n'paste on freepin' Town
>Hall?
>Geezus...... here's a fair review

Refute Ms. Parker, twinky.

>http://www.newyorker.com/critics/cinema/articles/060904crci_cinema

New Yawker? Are they associated with the Pravda Of The West
(NYTimes?)

>You really should watch 'When the Levees Broke', and perhaps learn a thing
>or two.
>Spike is fair spreading the blame for the failures of Government - both Dem.
>and Rep.
>When the levees broke, Shrubs credibility was washed away....

Betcha got the bulk of yer edumacayshun from MTV
>
>Did you object to the color of the film-maker, or is the truth of the
>message too harsh?

You mean the very black Ms. Parker?

>Let's face it: the entire ShrubCo crime family has to go, and soon.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=\Nation\archive\200512\NAT20051214b.html

Statistics Suggest Race Not a Factor in Katrina Deaths
By Nathan Burchfiel
CNSNews.com Correspondent
December 14, 2005

(CNSNews.com) - Statistics released by the Louisiana Department of
Health and Hospitals suggest that fewer than half of the victims of
Hurricane Katrina were black, and that whites died at the highest rate
of all races in New Orleans.

Liberals in the aftermath of the storm were quick to allege that the
Bush administration delayed its response to the catastrophe because
most of the victims were black.

Damu Smith, founder of the National Black Environmental Justice
Network, in September said that the federal government "ignored us,
they forgot about us ... because we look like we look."

Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan in October said that the
Federal Emergency Management Agency wasn't fit to help the storm's
victims because "there are not enough blacks high up in FEMA" and
added that, "certainly the Red Cross is the same."

Rapper Kanye West used his time on NBC's telethon for the hurricane
victims to charge that, "George Bush doesn't care about black people."

But the state's demographic information suggests that whites in New
Orleans died at a higher rate than minorities. According to the 2000
census, whites make up 28 percent of the city's population, but the
Louisiana Department of Health and Hospitals indicates that whites
constitute 36.6 percent of the storm's fatalities in the city.

African-Americans make up 67.25 percent of the population and 59.1
percent of the deceased. Other minorities constitute approximately 5
percent of the population and represented 4.3 percent of the storm's
fatalities.

Overall for the state, 658 bodies have been identified. Forty-seven
percent were African-American and 42 percent were Caucasian. The
remaining bodies were either non-black minorities or undetermined.

An additional 247 victims have not been identified, so their
demographic information has not been released.

The data showed that the majority of Katrina's victims lived in the
Orleans parish. The nearby St. Bernard and Jefferson parishes had 91
and 25 victims, respectively.

The storm also did not discriminate based on gender. Fifty percent of
the victims were male and 49 percent were female, with 1 percent being
undetermined.

Calls requesting comment from Damu Smith and the Nation of Islam were
not returned Wednesday.

 


On 9/2/06 10:30 AM, in article
HshKg.13902$%j7.12446@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net, "pitchforks and torches"
<ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:

>
> "George Kerby" <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:C11F0708.6DA1%ghost_topper@hotmail.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/2/06 8:11 AM, in article
>> pqfKg.20216$kO3.8247@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com, "pitchforks and torches"
>> <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Suburbanaristic" <yeah_uh-hu@wohoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:yeah_uh-hu-AC8D02.18372901092006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>>>> In article <9RXJg.297$MF1.23@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
>>>> "pitchforks and torches" <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "George Kerby" <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:C11DAC11.6A4C%ghost_topper@hotmail.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/1/06 6:40 AM, in article 44f81c1c.3555953@free.teranews.com, "Way
>>>>>> Back
>>>>>> Jack" <chillin'@home.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First thing you noticed were the songs played over the stadium's
>>>>>>> audio
>>>>>>> system: "South Of The Border," "El Rancho Rock," "La Bamba," and "La
>>>>>>> Cucaracha." The camera panned the fans and all you could see were
>>>>>>> people with dark hair, brown skin, small eyes, fleshy cheeks, and
>>>>>>> flabby physiques. My Gawd!! the place was lousy with Mexicans. Any
>>>>>>> white people still in Texas? Hello? It also makes you wonder how
>>>>>>> they could afford to attend a major league baseball game. Must have
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> generous welfare package in the Lone Star State.
>>>>>> That's the reason that we can't get rid of the New Orleans criminals.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> dems want the votes of those good folks so they keep 'em on the
>>>>>> payroll.
>>>>>
>>>>> That was an ignorant, racist, and Rethuglican comment to add to that
>>>>> troll
>>>>> post.
>>>>>
>>>>> But that's our Gorge. Just one of HTown's resident fascist enablers.
>>>>> You can almost smell the fear.
>>>>
>>>> Fascist enablers. Heh, good one.
>>>>
>>>> Surely you aware that NO had a bad reputation as a high-crime city,
>>>> based on, well, facts.
>>>
>>> Yes, I was/am aware. I was attacked on my honeymoon there, and lost my
>>> wallet to a gang.
>
> A main street surrounded by hundreds of tourists. I wasn't packing the
> equalizer that night. Bummer....
>>
Yep. That's EXACTLY what I'm talking about in my previous post. You just
aren't *right*. Go to the psych ward at LBJ if you can't afford to pay for a
mental health professional, please! Only a 'ghangster' would think about
trying to 'pop' another in the middle of, as you put it, "hundreds of
tourists". Seek help, NOW!
>> Maybe if you weren't hangin' where you shouldn't, de boyz wan't have
>> gotten
>> their hustle on you, ya think?!?
>>
>> BTW: Is your "significant other" a one hump or two hump variety?
>
> Only a crass asshole would inquire about the number of times I enjoyed the
> acts of intimacy we experienced on our honeymoon. We refer to it as
> lovemaking, not humping.
>
I was referring to species (quality), not quanity...


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On 9/2/06 11:00 AM, in article
DUhKg.13907$%j7.2631@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net, "pitchforks and torches"
<ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:

>
> "Suburbanaristic" <yeah_uh-hu@wohoo.com> wrote in message
> news:yeah_uh-hu-B5059D.10190002092006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>> In article <pqfKg.20216$kO3.8247@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>,
>> "pitchforks and torches" <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Suburbanaristic" <yeah_uh-hu@wohoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:yeah_uh-hu-AC8D02.18372901092006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>>>> In article <9RXJg.297$MF1.23@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
>>
>>>> Fascist enablers. Heh, good one.
>>>>
>>>> Surely you aware that NO had a bad reputation as a high-crime city,
>>>> based on, well, facts.
>>>
>>> Yes, I was/am aware. I was attacked on my honeymoon there, and lost my
>>> wallet to a gang. It took years to deal with the ID theft and subsequent
>>> clones of my personhood.
>>
>> Your husband didn't protect you?
>
> Smear and fear: it's all you got left.
>>
Methinks it was quite cleaver. Sorry I didn't come up with that. Hee-hee!


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"Suburbanaristic" <yeah_uh-hu@wohoo.com> wrote in message
news:yeah_uh-hu-CABDC8.12155702092006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> In article <LriKg.13915$%j7.11222@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>,
> "pitchforks and torches" <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:
>
>> "Suburbanaristic" <yeah_uh-hu@wohoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> > Awwww, can't handle a little dig?
>>
>> Naw. I just hate fascist enablers, thas all.
>
> Flowery language.
>
> What does it actually mean, are we supporting bin-Laden again?

Maybe you are, but I'm not.
>
>
>> >
>> > It's not the process of profiling, but the results you seemingly
>> > propose, that are a bit contitutionally suspect.
>>
>> If you do the crime, prepare to do the time. If they were wanted, jail
>> 'em.
>> If they had a criminal history, segragate 'em, watch 'em like a hawk,
>> and take advantage of the first chance to repatriate them.
>
> You're suggesting having a criminal history alone is a crime itself,
> worthy of segregation and even jail? Sounds a bit fascist.

A more careful approach to housing and assistance would be in order.
And no greybar hotel, unless they had outstanding warrants or were wanted.
>
>
>> >
>> > Hate to break this to you, but US citizens are free to travel or
>> > re-locate where they choose, with certain restrictions. It's a bit
>> > difficult for Texas government to bar people at the border.
>>
>> But once they are here, there's nothing barring background checks PRIOR
>> to
>> allowing them shelter or services here. Just like HTown's policies on
>> Section 8 assistance.
>
> That's a valid point, but what would you do with those who subject to
> section 8 restrictions who were caught in Katrina, jail them? For what?

I really do believe we could have build a tent city IN LA. for them.
>
>> >> And they would be ringed with barbed wire and the BlackWater Mercs,
>> >> you
>> >> know, to keep bad people *in*. Hell, you could toss the low-level drug
>> >> offenders outa the prisons, and had PLENTY of room to deal with the
>> >> emergency.
>> >
>> > Wow, you want to imprison someone for being in the path of a hurricane?
>> > This is getting interesting.
>>
>> Just those who are wanted, and those with a criminal history
>
> There's a distinction, you know. I think you're promoting a doctrine of
> pre-emption based on past behavior.

It is the standard used everyday to judge future employees and renters.
>
>> and those
>> whose reliance on public assistance that would suggest that they weren't
>> here to become citizens and workers. Then, ship 'em back to La. as fast
>> as
>> possible to a La. camp with similar
>> acoutrements.
>
> What if they choose not to go where you tell them to? Under what law
> would you evict US citizens from a state?

Not my prob. That's why we have judges and courts. And Shrub coulda just
said so, and made it so. It worked SO well with claims of WMDs.

>
>
>> >> IF ShrubCo hadn't used the N.G. as his muscle in his illegal
>> >> land-snatch,
>> >> there would have been law enforcement, material, and vehicles
>> >> available
>> >> to
>> >> help in this natural disaster.
>> >
>> > Illegal land-snatch? Huh?
>>
>> See 'Iraq'.
>
> I see. Pre-emptive measures against a possible foreign threat are
> verbotten,

No but elective war based on lies is unconstitutional.

> but pre-emptive detentionor "deportation" of US citizens
> with criminal pasts is ok.

The Patriot Act allows it. Att. Gen Gonzo said so! Gitmo, Ho!

> After all, Saddam just wanted nasty weapons
> and alliances against the country, he wasn't after your Jetta.

See "containment ". It worked for 8 years prior to ShrubCo's illegal and
immoral war.


>
>
>> > The US has plenty of money - that isn't what kept local officials from
>> > issuing timely evacuation orders, -
>>
>> as was done...
>
> Not quite. It might have been more effective if the locals had taken the
> Pres's advice at the time he offered it. He couldn't force them to -
> that would be a fascist act.

Shrub was fundraising and playin' the geetar. It was three day until he
watched a DVD of the disater, and decided to roll up his sleaves and fly
over the city.
It was the local and state officials that screamed 'Get outa town! '
>
>> > as Bush had suggested early on.
>> > Federal monies didn't keep people from evacuating,
>>
>> Nor did it help. NG amphibious vehicles and heavy trucks could have been
>> useful - but they were in Iraq.
>
> We have plenty of vehicles stateside, that wasn't the problem.

BULLSHIT. That's pure revisionist history.

>Timely
> requests for same were the problem. The Feds made it clear early on that
> the Governor could permit the use of these resources, which isn't a
> function of Federal government.

More BULLSHIT. Shrubco was days late, and then tried to force the state to
relinquish their NG to Shrubco. Blanco refused.
>
>> > but it did go to spur
>> > the economy at Huoston titty bars and Best Buy.
>>
>> When I hire a new employee, I do a background check. It's not hard....
>
> So, in summation, you'd deny relief or aid to anyone with a criminal
> record? Leave 'em in NO? Round 'em up?

Segregate them, and proceed with care, but caution. Trust but Verify.
Bring in the Houston City Housing Dept. ( I know, I know...) and judges, and
the courts to hammer out a short term plan, while asking the Fed to begin
building camps in La. to hold THEIR problem citizens.
>
> Jeez, that would have probably left three or four people who qualified.

You have a low opinion of evacuees. Hope you never find yourself in their
shoes, eh?
>
> --
The lawless will be dealt with by the law, not prejudiced racists and
jingoists.

 


On 9/2/06 12:15 PM, in article 44F9BCEB.9D2683AF@GrumpyvilleNOT.com, "Grumpy
AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote:

>
>
> pitchforks and torches wrote:
>>
>> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in message
>> news:44F99443.AAD0B312@GrumpyvilleNOT.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> pitchforks and torches wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Suburbanaristic" <yeah_uh-hu@wohoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:yeah_uh-hu-AC8D02.18372901092006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>>>>> In article <9RXJg.297$MF1.23@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
>>>>> "pitchforks and torches" <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "George Kerby" <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:C11DAC11.6A4C%ghost_topper@hotmail.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/1/06 6:40 AM, in article 44f81c1c.3555953@free.teranews.com,
>>>>>>> "Way
>>>>>>> Back
>>>>>>> Jack" <chillin'@home.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First thing you noticed were the songs played over the stadium's
>>>>>>>> audio
>>>>>>>> system: "South Of The Border," "El Rancho Rock," "La Bamba," and
>>>>>>>> "La
>>>>>>>> Cucaracha." The camera panned the fans and all you could see were
>>>>>>>> people with dark hair, brown skin, small eyes, fleshy cheeks, and
>>>>>>>> flabby physiques. My Gawd!! the place was lousy with Mexicans.
>>>>>>>> Any
>>>>>>>> white people still in Texas? Hello? It also makes you wonder how
>>>>>>>> they could afford to attend a major league baseball game. Must
>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>> generous welfare package in the Lone Star State.
>>>>>>> That's the reason that we can't get rid of the New Orleans
>>>>>>> criminals.
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> dems want the votes of those good folks so they keep 'em on the
>>>>>>> payroll.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That was an ignorant, racist, and Rethuglican comment to add to that
>>>>>> troll
>>>>>> post.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But that's our Gorge. Just one of HTown's resident fascist enablers.
>>>>>> You can almost smell the fear.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fascist enablers. Heh, good one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Surely you aware that NO had a bad reputation as a high-crime city,
>>>>> based on, well, facts.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I was/am aware. I was attacked on my honeymoon there, and lost my
>>>> wallet to a gang. It took years to deal with the ID theft and subsequent
>>>> clones of my personhood.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ya think the criminal element cleaned up their act when they moved?
>>>>
>>>> No. A leopard can't change its spots. HTown was victimized, but I was
>>>> hoping
>>>> that the evacuees would be vetted a lot more carefully by Fed, State, and
>>>> local law enforcement, and the large numbers of miscreants would be
>>>> segregated and dealt with. To scatter them into the general population
>>>> was
>>>> the real mistake. The inability of the Fed to respond by providing
>>>> facilities in Louisiana for their return was the biggest mistake...
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why izzit always the "feds" responsibility to cure all our ills? Oh, I
>>> know! You were brought up to suck on the endless teat, eh?
>>
>> I stand by my opinion: the feds. could have done the one thing they do well.
>> Law Enforcement record keeping. They could have helped the locals by
>> providing their computer records and systems to vet and cull the good guys
>> from the bad boys. See NCIC 2000 for a hint. Don't you remember back in high
>> school when you were threatened with 'This is going on your permanent
>> record'? Well, it did.
>>
>
>
> Oh sure, all of which would have to be done (according to your timeline)
> within a few hours for thousands of people.
>
> Do ANY of you libs have any sense of reality???
>
> JT
Rhetorical question. All of us know the answer.

Maybe, just maybe pitchtents & forks would, if took my advice and saw a
psychiatric counselor.

 
"George Kerby" <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:C11F2DCD.6DDE%ghost_topper@hotmail.com...
>
>
>
> On 9/2/06 10:06 AM, in article
> C5hKg.13896$%j7.3831@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net, "pitchforks and torches"
> <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in message
>> news:44F99443.AAD0B312@GrumpyvilleNOT.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> pitchforks and torches wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Suburbanaristic" <yeah_uh-hu@wohoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:yeah_uh-hu-AC8D02.18372901092006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>>>>> In article <9RXJg.297$MF1.23@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
>>>>> "pitchforks and torches" <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "George Kerby" <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:C11DAC11.6A4C%ghost_topper@hotmail.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/1/06 6:40 AM, in article 44f81c1c.3555953@free.teranews.com,
>>>>>>> "Way
>>>>>>> Back
>>>>>>> Jack" <chillin'@home.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First thing you noticed were the songs played over the stadium's
>>>>>>>> audio
>>>>>>>> system: "South Of The Border," "El Rancho Rock," "La Bamba," and
>>>>>>>> "La
>>>>>>>> Cucaracha." The camera panned the fans and all you could see were
>>>>>>>> people with dark hair, brown skin, small eyes, fleshy cheeks, and
>>>>>>>> flabby physiques. My Gawd!! the place was lousy with Mexicans.
>>>>>>>> Any
>>>>>>>> white people still in Texas? Hello? It also makes you wonder how
>>>>>>>> they could afford to attend a major league baseball game. Must
>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>> generous welfare package in the Lone Star State.
>>>>>>> That's the reason that we can't get rid of the New Orleans
>>>>>>> criminals.
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> dems want the votes of those good folks so they keep 'em on the
>>>>>>> payroll.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That was an ignorant, racist, and Rethuglican comment to add to that
>>>>>> troll
>>>>>> post.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But that's our Gorge. Just one of HTown's resident fascist enablers.
>>>>>> You can almost smell the fear.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fascist enablers. Heh, good one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Surely you aware that NO had a bad reputation as a high-crime city,
>>>>> based on, well, facts.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I was/am aware. I was attacked on my honeymoon there, and lost my
>>>> wallet to a gang. It took years to deal with the ID theft and
>>>> subsequent
>>>> clones of my personhood.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ya think the criminal element cleaned up their act when they moved?
>>>>
>>>> No. A leopard can't change its spots. HTown was victimized, but I was
>>>> hoping
>>>> that the evacuees would be vetted a lot more carefully by Fed, State,
>>>> and
>>>> local law enforcement, and the large numbers of miscreants would be
>>>> segregated and dealt with. To scatter them into the general population
>>>> was
>>>> the real mistake. The inability of the Fed to respond by providing
>>>> facilities in Louisiana for their return was the biggest mistake...
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why izzit always the "feds" responsibility to cure all our ills? Oh, I
>>> know! You were brought up to suck on the endless teat, eh?
>>
>> Don't you remember back in high
>> school when you were threatened with 'This is going on your permanent
>> record'? Well, it did.
>>
> Actually, you may not believe it, but most normal students were never
> threatened with that, only malcontents such as yourself and those with
> whom
> you associate. Projection is a Bitch, ain't it?!?


And the recent flap about Rummy declaring Anti-ShrubCo voices as
'Fascist appeasers' isn't projection? Please....your atrophied brain is
stuck on 'used by fascists, and loving it!'

You need to see KO smackdown this 'projection' meme: it might make you
'think'.
But, then again, .....you ARE Gorge, and you have demonstrated by your
slavish ShrubCo
sycophancy that you are incapable of true independent thought.
You are the very definition of fascist appeaser.

 
"George Kerby" <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:C11F2F6E.6DE1%ghost_topper@hotmail.com...
>
>
>
> On 9/2/06 10:30 AM, in article
> HshKg.13902$%j7.12446@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net, "pitchforks and torches"
> <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "George Kerby" <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:C11F0708.6DA1%ghost_topper@hotmail.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/2/06 8:11 AM, in article
>>> pqfKg.20216$kO3.8247@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com, "pitchforks and
>>> torches"
>>> <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Suburbanaristic" <yeah_uh-hu@wohoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:yeah_uh-hu-AC8D02.18372901092006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>>>>> In article <9RXJg.297$MF1.23@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
>>>>> "pitchforks and torches" <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "George Kerby" <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:C11DAC11.6A4C%ghost_topper@hotmail.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/1/06 6:40 AM, in article 44f81c1c.3555953@free.teranews.com,
>>>>>>> "Way
>>>>>>> Back
>>>>>>> Jack" <chillin'@home.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First thing you noticed were the songs played over the stadium's
>>>>>>>> audio
>>>>>>>> system: "South Of The Border," "El Rancho Rock," "La Bamba," and
>>>>>>>> "La
>>>>>>>> Cucaracha." The camera panned the fans and all you could see were
>>>>>>>> people with dark hair, brown skin, small eyes, fleshy cheeks, and
>>>>>>>> flabby physiques. My Gawd!! the place was lousy with Mexicans.
>>>>>>>> Any
>>>>>>>> white people still in Texas? Hello? It also makes you wonder how
>>>>>>>> they could afford to attend a major league baseball game. Must
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> generous welfare package in the Lone Star State.
>>>>>>> That's the reason that we can't get rid of the New Orleans
>>>>>>> criminals.
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> dems want the votes of those good folks so they keep 'em on the
>>>>>>> payroll.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That was an ignorant, racist, and Rethuglican comment to add to that
>>>>>> troll
>>>>>> post.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But that's our Gorge. Just one of HTown's resident fascist enablers.
>>>>>> You can almost smell the fear.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fascist enablers. Heh, good one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Surely you aware that NO had a bad reputation as a high-crime city,
>>>>> based on, well, facts.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I was/am aware. I was attacked on my honeymoon there, and lost my
>>>> wallet to a gang.
>>
>> A main street surrounded by hundreds of tourists. I wasn't packing the
>> equalizer that night. Bummer....
>>>
> Yep. That's EXACTLY what I'm talking about in my previous post. You just
> aren't *right*. Go to the psych ward at LBJ if you can't afford to pay for
> a
> mental health professional, please! Only a 'ghangster' would think about
> trying to 'pop' another in the middle of, as you put it, "hundreds of
> tourists". Seek help, NOW!

Nope. It happened. Happens every Mardi gras, to unlucky tourists.
One of them 'tripped' onto me, and I was surrounded by his buds trying to
'help' me up while he 'dipped' my wallet from an inside pocket in my jacket.

>>> Maybe if you weren't hangin' where you shouldn't, de boyz wan't have
>>> gotten
>>> their hustle on you, ya think?!?
>>>
>>> BTW: Is your "significant other" a one hump or two hump variety?
>>
>> Only a crass asshole would inquire about the number of times I enjoyed
>> the
>> acts of intimacy we experienced on our honeymoon. We refer to it as
>> lovemaking, not humping.
>>
> I was referring to species (quality), not quanity...

And I was referring to the quality of a crass asshole, not the amount of
crassness or assholeyness. You have plenty of both. Par for the cource for
a Shrubsuckin' fascist enabler. But that's our 'special' Gorge, hmmmm?

 
"Bush, A Lesser Of Two Evils" <chillin'@home.net> wrote in message
news:44f9c463.26662312@news.prodigy.net...
> On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 17:24:10 GMT, "pitchforks and torches"
> <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bush, A Lesser Of Evils" <nospam@home.org> wrote in message
>>news:44f9b69a.23132812@news.newshosting.com...
>>> On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:23:37 GMT, "pitchforks and torches"
>>> <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The lying left in action again. And of course the sheep that
>>> Americans have become will buy into it.
>>> ______________
>>>
>>> Katrina, lies and videotape
>>> By Star Parker
>>> Monday, August 28, 2006
>>
>>TownHall.com? You sourced your cut'n'run ...er cut'n'paste on freepin'
>>Town
>>Hall?
>>Geezus...... here's a fair review
>
> Refute Ms. Parker, twinky.

Sorry: I don't wrestle pigs at your urging.
'I Know! Let's you and him have a fight!'

>
>>http://www.newyorker.com/critics/cinema/articles/060904crci_cinema
>
> New Yawker? Are they associated with the Pravda Of The West
> (NYTimes?)

You ARE clueless, aren't you. Wow....
>
>>You really should watch 'When the Levees Broke', and perhaps learn a thing
>>or two.
>>Spike is fair spreading the blame for the failures of Government - both
>>Dem.
>>and Rep.
>>When the levees broke, Shrubs credibility was washed away....
>
> Betcha got the bulk of yer edumacayshun from MTV

What a witty rejoinder. Why, I can hear the spirits of the Algonquin
Roundtable chuckling over your bon mot.
>>
>>Did you object to the color of the film-maker, or is the truth of the
>>message too harsh?
>
> You mean the very black Ms. Parker?

I did not bring her race into this: you did, you rascist rascal...

>
>>Let's face it: the entire ShrubCo crime family has to go, and soon.
>
> http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=\Nation\archive\200512\NAT20051214b.html
>
Uhhh....and what was that in response to? I didn't mention, question, or
speculate on race.
But I DID say " the entire ShrubCo crime family has to go, and soon. "

Don't you have some ShrubCo sycophant ( look it up...) to suck?
Good luck on yer way down, loser.