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How to solve the Latino illegal immigration problem
Rudy Canoza


Ene 8, 2007, 1:17 PM


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[re-edited to solve some line break problems]

Set up a program that legalizes it.

1. Repeal birthright citizenship. It never was the intent
of any law or amendment.

2. Make a realistic estimate of the total number of people
who would come to the US from Mexico and Central
America
under a guest worker program that allowed stays of
up to
10 years. Add 25% to that, and that's the quota.
By making
it generous, you eliminate the sort of bottleneck
that creates
the pressure to jump the border illegally.

3. The federal government has to tax citizens in
states with
few or no guest workers in order to offset the fiscal
burden of those states where they're concentrated.
The unfair fiscal burden of immigrant-heavy states
is THE ONLY
authentic problem from illegal immigration, and it
is the
responsibility of the federal government to
redress it.

4. Entrants must present proof of citizenship in Mexico or
a Central American country...or Canada. No one from
South America or any other part of the world is
eligible
(but illegal immigration from other parts of the world
is negligible anyway.)

5. At the end of their 10-year stay, they must return
to their
native countries for one year; then they're eligible
to return for another 10 years.

6. If they wish to immigrate permanently, they must
return to
their native countries and apply through the
normal process.
Assuming good behavior during their guest worker
stays,
their past residence in the US under the guest worker
program will count favorably for them in their
permanent
immigration application.

7. While resident in the US, they are entitled to every
Constitutional protection afforded to citizens,
especially
due process. Upon conviction of a misdemeanor, their
visit is ended and they must return to their
native country
for a year. Upon conviction of a felony, they are
deported and
become permanently ineligible for readmission.


This will work.
Re: How to solve the Latino illegal immigration problem
Larry in AZ


Ene 8, 2007, 1:43 PM


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Waiving the right to remain silent, Rudy Canoza <rudy-canoza@excite.com>
said:

> This will work.

None of it will work if the border is insecure and they continue to flood
across with no regard for the existing laws.

If we can't enforce what we've already got, then complicating it with more of
your suggested bullshit won't change anything...

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"I've come here to enjoy nature. Don't talk to me
about the environment!" - 'Denny Crane'
Re: How to solve the Latino illegal immigration problem
"gringogirl"


Ene 8, 2007, 2:00 PM


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 YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY RUDY THIS IS JUST 1/100 OF THE FOUL MOUTH
HATE CRIMES YOU HAVE POSTED -
Rudy Canoza ( david e's best friend and comrade) wrote:


> GringaSlut petulantly and resentfully whined:
> > Rudy Canoza wrote:( david e's best friend and comrade)
> > > GringaSlut petulantly and resentfully whined:
> > > > David Eduardo and Rudy Canoza" ... both the nastiest OBL around -
> > > >David Eduardo and Rudy Canoza" ... both the nastiest OBL around -
> GringaSlut is a resentful, poorly educated, unskilled, low-wage piece of
> trailer-park-trash who can't stand the fact that some undocumented
> immigrants are living better than she is. She can't seem to figure out
> that they are living better than she is because they work harder and are
> willing to delay gratification


.
( david e wrote the following:"

She somehow thinks that "getting ahead" has to do with fellatio.


Reply =BBdavid e. is another woman hater from the open borders crowd who



supports the rape and murder of American women so he can make a buck
off of the illegal mexicans- hypocrite


Reply Reply with quote =BB




-open downmarket


trailer-trash bitter skank, wrote:
> rape is part of mexican culture-


No more than a part of your trailer-trash skanky whore
culture.

Reply


Reply Reply with quote =BB




faggot Drag Queen lied:



> On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 20:00:16 GMT, Rudy Canoza <rudy-can...@excite.com>
> wrote:
>> faggot Drag Queen wrote:
> <snipped>
> You seem


I don't "seem" anything, faggot.

GringaSlut is an UNEMPLOYABLE bitter resentful skank.
She's unemployable because she is an uneducated,
down-market, meth-abusing bit of trailer-park trash.
She'd fuck a snake if it could come up with the fifty
cents.


She is not a strong woman at all; she's a lame, bitter,
self-crippled slut who is resentful of immigrants
because they're willing to work harder than she is, and
as a consequence they live better than she does.
Instead of recognizing that her shitty life is her own
fault, she looks around for someone to blame.


Reply =BB Rate this post: Text for clearing space


Reply Reply with quote =BB





Police do that, gringaslut.


You filthy, skanky, trailer-park cunt.


Reply Reply with quote =BB





text -

Rudy Canoza wrote:
> gringaslut, trailer-park trash whore, lied:
> > I really have to laugh at you Rudy-

> You're not laughing, gringaslut. You're furious. I've
> shined the harsh light of reality on you. You're an
> unaccomplished, badly educated, down-market skank who
> is bitter and resentful at Latinos who are your betters
> in every sense: harder working, more accepting of
> personal responsibility, and much more.


> You're a bigot, gringaslut. You hate Latinos. Their
> immigration status means nothing to you. You hate all
> of them, legally immigrated or not. And it's largely
> because they repeatedly show you to be a zero.






bigoted low-rent trailer park whore gringaslut whined:


> and this latina shoots at them ,but if a white american did this it
> would be a hate crime.


She's a citizen. You have a problem with citizens
engaging in self defense?

Thanks for making clear that immigration status has
nothing to do with your bullshit; you just hate
Latinos, whether they are citizens, legal residents, or
any other status.


You filthy, bigoted cunt. I hope one of your
"customers" gives you the HIV soon. You're just a
worthless piece of trash.=20


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Rudy is a Rapist and Hate monger with No creditibility
"gringogirl"


Ene 8, 2007, 2:03 PM


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YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY RUDY THIS IS JUST 1/100 OF THE FOUL MOUTH HATE
CRIMES YOU HAVE POSTED -
Rudy Canoza ( david e's best friend and comrade) wrote:


> GringaSlut petulantly and resentfully whined:
> > Rudy Canoza wrote:( david e's best friend and comrade)
> > > GringaSlut petulantly and resentfully whined:
> > > > David Eduardo and Rudy Canoza" ... both the nastiest OBL around -
> > > >David Eduardo and Rudy Canoza" ... both the nastiest OBL around -
> GringaSlut is a resentful, poorly educated, unskilled, low-wage piece of
> trailer-park-trash who can't stand the fact that some undocumented
> immigrants are living better than she is. She can't seem to figure out
> that they are living better than she is because they work harder and are
> willing to delay gratification


.
( david e wrote the following:"

She somehow thinks that "getting ahead" has to do with fellatio.


Reply =BBdavid e. is another woman hater from the open borders crowd who



supports the rape and murder of American women so he can make a buck
off of the illegal mexicans- hypocrite


Reply Reply with quote =BB




-open downmarket


trailer-trash bitter skank, wrote:
> rape is part of mexican culture-


No more than a part of your trailer-trash skanky whore
culture.

Reply


Reply Reply with quote =BB




faggot Drag Queen lied:



> On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 20:00:16 GMT, Rudy Canoza <rudy-can...@excite.com>
> wrote:
>> faggot Drag Queen wrote:
> <snipped>
> You seem


I don't "seem" anything, faggot.

GringaSlut is an UNEMPLOYABLE bitter resentful skank.
She's unemployable because she is an uneducated,
down-market, meth-abusing bit of trailer-park trash.
She'd fuck a snake if it could come up with the fifty
cents.


She is not a strong woman at all; she's a lame, bitter,
self-crippled slut who is resentful of immigrants
because they're willing to work harder than she is, and
as a consequence they live better than she does.
Instead of recognizing that her shitty life is her own
fault, she looks around for someone to blame.


Reply =BB Rate this post: Text for clearing space


Reply Reply with quote =BB





Police do that, gringaslut.


You filthy, skanky, trailer-park cunt.


Reply Reply with quote =BB





text -

Rudy Canoza wrote:
> gringaslut, trailer-park trash whore, lied:
> > I really have to laugh at you Rudy-

> You're not laughing, gringaslut. You're furious. I've
> shined the harsh light of reality on you. You're an
> unaccomplished, badly educated, down-market skank who
> is bitter and resentful at Latinos who are your betters
> in every sense: harder working, more accepting of
> personal responsibility, and much more.


> You're a bigot, gringaslut. You hate Latinos. Their
> immigration status means nothing to you. You hate all
> of them, legally immigrated or not. And it's largely
> because they repeatedly show you to be a zero.






bigoted low-rent trailer park whore gringaslut whined:


> and this latina shoots at them ,but if a white american did this it
> would be a hate crime.


She's a citizen. You have a problem with citizens
engaging in self defense?

Thanks for making clear that immigration status has
nothing to do with your bullshit; you just hate
Latinos, whether they are citizens, legal residents, or
any other status.


You filthy, bigoted cunt. I hope one of your
"customers" gives you the HIV soon. You're just a
worthless piece of trash.=20


Reply =BB Rate

Re: How to solve the Latino illegal immigration problem
Jafo


Ene 8, 2007, 2:33 PM


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As viewed from alt.california, gringogirl wrote:

> YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY RUDY THIS IS JUST 1/100 OF THE FOUL MOUTH
>HATE CRIMES YOU HAVE POSTED -

<remaining petulant bullshit cheerfully shitcanned>

Nothing to say about the actual topic of the thread, eh?

--
Jafo
Re: How to solve the Latino illegal immigration problem
Sanders Kaufman


Ene 8, 2007, 3:04 PM


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gringogirl wrote:
> YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY RUDY THIS IS JUST 1/100 OF THE FOUL MOUTH
> HATE CRIMES YOU HAVE POSTED -

It's this even-tempered, rational, well-behaved, good character
of you border bigots that wins you the most converts.

Re: How to solve the Latino illegal immigration problem
T Jr Hardman


Ene 8, 2007, 4:34 PM


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Jafo wrote:
> As viewed from alt.california, gringogirl wrote:
>
>
>>YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY RUDY THIS IS JUST 1/100 OF THE FOUL MOUTH
>>HATE CRIMES YOU HAVE POSTED -
>
>
> <remaining petulant bullshit cheerfully shitcanned>
>
> Nothing to say about the actual topic of the thread, eh?

Jafo, you will doubtless recall my "Amexica Improvement Corporation"
posting from Sept 6 2001?

I agree that we need to do away with the birthright citizenship in cases
where the parents aren't here legally.


--
http://thomashardman.com/ Centrist, Moderate, Republican in Maryland
A true Conservative isn't about to let
the enemies of America ruin his streams for Trout.

Re: How to solve the Latino illegal immigration problem
Dude


Ene 8, 2007, 4:40 PM


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Sanders Kaufman wrote:
> gringogirl wrote:
>> YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY RUDY THIS IS JUST 1/100 OF THE FOUL MOUTH
>> HATE CRIMES YOU HAVE POSTED -
>
> It's this even-tempered, rational, well-behaved, good character of you
> border bigots that wins you the most converts.
>
We should get rid of the Jews who embrace Islam.
Re: How to solve the Latino illegal immigration problem
"Rudy Canoza"


Ene 8, 2007, 4:41 PM


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Larry in AZ wrote:
> Waiving the right to remain silent, Rudy Canoza <rudy-canoza@excite.com>
> said:
>
> > This will work.
>
> None of it will work if the border is insecure and they continue to flood
> across with no regard for the existing laws.

Of course it will work. I already explained how it will work: by
making the quota generous, you remove the incentive for anyone to enter
illegally.

Re: Rudy is a Rapist and Hate monger with No creditibility
"Rudy Canoza"


Ene 8, 2007, 4:43 PM


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gringaslut, legs-wide-open trailer park whore, lied lied:
> YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY RUDY

I have ample credibilty.

> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>
>
> > GringaSlut petulantly and resentfully whined:
> > > Rudy Canoza wrote:( david e's best friend and comrade)
> > > > GringaSlut petulantly and resentfully whined:
> > > > > David Eduardo and Rudy Canoza" ... both the nastiest OBL around -
> > > > >David Eduardo and Rudy Canoza" ... both the nastiest OBL around -
> > GringaSlut is a resentful, poorly educated, unskilled, low-wage piece of
> > trailer-park-trash who can't stand the fact that some undocumented
> > immigrants are living better than she is. She can't seem to figure out
> > that they are living better than she is because they work harder and are
> > willing to delay gratification

The above statement is true.

Re: How to solve the Latino illegal immigration problem
Jafo


Ene 8, 2007, 4:43 PM


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As viewed from alt.california, T Jr Hardman wrote:

>Jafo wrote:
>>gringogirl wrote:
>>>YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY RUDY THIS IS JUST 1/100 OF THE FOUL MOUTH
>>>HATE CRIMES YOU HAVE POSTED -

>> <remaining petulant bullshit cheerfully shitcanned>
>>
>>Nothing to say about the actual topic of the thread, eh?

>Jafo, you will doubtless recall my "Amexica Improvement Corporation"
>posting from Sept 6 2001?

No, I don't believe I do.

>I agree that we need to do away with the birthright citizenship in cases
>where the parents aren't here legally.

Absolutely. Most countries don't even *have* "birthright citizenship".

--
Jafo
Re: How to solve the illegal immigration problem
"Rudy Canoza"


Ene 8, 2007, 4:43 PM


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gringaslut, legs-wide-open trailer park whore, lied lied:
> YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY RUDY

I have ample credibilty.

> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>
>
> > GringaSlut petulantly and resentfully whined:
> > > Rudy Canoza wrote:( david e's best friend and comrade)
> > > > GringaSlut petulantly and resentfully whined:
> > > > > David Eduardo and Rudy Canoza" ... both the nastiest OBL around -
> > > > >David Eduardo and Rudy Canoza" ... both the nastiest OBL around -
> > GringaSlut is a resentful, poorly educated, unskilled, low-wage piece of
> > trailer-park-trash who can't stand the fact that some undocumented
> > immigrants are living better than she is. She can't seem to figure out
> > that they are living better than she is because they work harder and are
> > willing to delay gratification

The above statement is true.

Re: How to solve the Latino illegal immigration problem
Sanders Kaufman


Ene 8, 2007, 4:46 PM


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T Jr Hardman wrote:

> I agree that we need to do away with the birthright citizenship in cases
> where the parents aren't here legally.

Now if only you could find a Hitler to champion your cause.
Re: How to solve the Latino illegal immigration problem
"Rudy Canoza"


Ene 8, 2007, 4:47 PM


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T Jr Hardman wrote:
> Jafo wrote:
> > As viewed from alt.california, gringogirl wrote:
> >
> >
> >>YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY RUDY THIS IS JUST 1/100 OF THE FOUL MOUTH
> >>HATE CRIMES YOU HAVE POSTED -
> >
> >
> > <remaining petulant bullshit cheerfully shitcanned>
> >
> > Nothing to say about the actual topic of the thread, eh?
>
> Jafo, you will doubtless recall my "Amexica Improvement Corporation"
> posting from Sept 6 2001?
>
> I agree that we need to do away with the birthright citizenship in cases
> where the parents aren't here legally.

We need to do away with birthright citizenship, period. The part of
the 14th amendment dealing with freed slaves is obsolete. Every living
freed slave is dead, and all their descendants are now citizens by
virtue of being the children of citizens. It's no longer needed.

It's worth noting that anyone who gained citizenship under the
birthright citizenship laws in effect at the time will not lose their
citizenship. A change in the law would only apply to the future.

Re: How to solve the Latino illegal immigration problem
"Rudy Canoza"


Ene 8, 2007, 4:49 PM


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Jafo wrote:
> As viewed from alt.california, T Jr Hardman wrote:
>
> >Jafo wrote:
> >>gringogirl wrote:
> >>>YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY RUDY THIS IS JUST 1/100 OF THE FOUL MOUTH
> >>>HATE CRIMES YOU HAVE POSTED -
>
> >> <remaining petulant bullshit cheerfully shitcanned>
> >>
> >>Nothing to say about the actual topic of the thread, eh?
>
> >Jafo, you will doubtless recall my "Amexica Improvement Corporation"
> >posting from Sept 6 2001?
>
> No, I don't believe I do.

I meant to comment in my own reply to him that it seemed awfully
presumptuous of him, arrogant even, to think you'd remember a
five-year-old post of his.


>
> >I agree that we need to do away with the birthright citizenship in cases
> >where the parents aren't here legally.
>
> Absolutely. Most countries don't even *have* "birthright citizenship".

*WE* don't have it as a matter of policy; we have it due to a couple of
really bad court decisions. In a fairly recent decision, Scalia wrote
an opinion that suggested the time was ripe for a new decision that
would repeal it.

Re: How to solve the Latino illegal immigration problem
T Jr Hardman


Ene 8, 2007, 6:06 PM


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Jafo wrote:
> As viewed from alt.california, T Jr Hardman wrote:
>
>
>>Jafo wrote:
>>
>>>gringogirl wrote:
>>>
>>>>YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY RUDY THIS IS JUST 1/100 OF THE FOUL MOUTH
>>>>HATE CRIMES YOU HAVE POSTED -
>
>
>>> <remaining petulant bullshit cheerfully shitcanned>
>>>
>>>Nothing to say about the actual topic of the thread, eh?
>
>
>>Jafo, you will doubtless recall my "Amexica Improvement Corporation"
>>posting from Sept 6 2001?
>
>
> No, I don't believe I do.

http://www.radicalcenter.org/issues/immigration/mexreg.php

Basically, it amounts to a Guest Worker program, but rather than paying
all of the wages to the worker in the USA, most of it gets sent back to
their home district in Mexico. Also they have to have deductions to pay
for their insurance, etc.

It also has the effect of making Guest Workers cost exactly the same as
non-guest workers... ;)



>>I agree that we need to do away with the birthright citizenship in cases
>>where the parents aren't here legally.
>
>
> Absolutely. Most countries don't even *have* "birthright citizenship".


http://www.washtimes.com/national/20070108-125514-4201r.htm

<quote in-part>

Immigration debate gets religious
By Charles Hurt
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
January 8, 2007

A number of leading Christian conservative groups have
formed a coalition on immigration and illegal aliens
that will push religiously grounded positions that
both sides of the current immigration debate will
both love and hate.

In letters sent today and obtained by _The Washington Times_,
Families First on Immigration urges President Bush and
leaders of the new Democratic Congress to adopt
a grand compromise on the divisive issue that
includes strong border security, an amnesty for illegals
already here who are relatives of citizens and
an end to birthright citizenship.

Former Republican presidential hopeful Gary Bauer, Deal Hudson
of the Morley Institute for Church & Culture and David Keene
of the American Conservative Union are among those who have
joined forces to chart a new path on immigration reform,
an issue that conservative Christians have generally avoided.

"Our position really is consistent with Christian teachings
and with the rule of law," said Manuel Miranda, chairman
of the Third Branch Conference who has corralled more than
30 leading conservatives to enter the volatile debate.

Religious liberals have long been outspoken advocates of
amnesty and more immigration, but Christian conservatives
have been torn between biblical admonitions to both the
rule of law and charity toward strangers.

At the heart of their position is a compromise that could
give both sides of the immigration debate their "holy grail,"
as Mr. Miranda puts it, while also making a major,
one-time concession that would eliminate one of the
biggest magnets for illegal immigration.

[ .. ]

</quote>


Well, so much for Ronald Reagan's "one time only" amnesty...

Then again, if both the jobs magnet gets turned off and the
anchor-babies phenomenon has a sudden and complete end, it might almost
be worth "regularizing" the probable half of the illegals who have
relatives here.

Certainly it's worth debating.

Something's got to be done before we wind up like the poor bastards in
"Children of Men".



--
http://thomashardman.com/ Centrist, Moderate, Republican in Maryland
A true Conservative isn't about to let
the enemies of America ruin his streams for Trout.

Re: How to solve the Latino illegal immigration problem
Larry in AZ


Ene 8, 2007, 6:08 PM


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Waiving the right to remain silent, "Rudy Canoza" <notgenx32@yahoo.com> said:

> Larry in AZ wrote:
>> Waiving the right to remain silent, Rudy Canoza <rudy-canoza@excite.com>
>> said:
>>
>> > This will work.
>>
>> None of it will work if the border is insecure and they continue to flood
>> across with no regard for the existing laws.
>
> Of course it will work. I already explained how it will work: by
> making the quota generous, you remove the incentive for anyone to enter
> illegally.

Like we can remove the problem of bank robbery by making the banks hand out
money to whomever wants it, right..?

--
Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail

"I've come here to enjoy nature. Don't talk to me
about the environment!" - 'Denny Crane'
Re: How to solve the Latino illegal immigration problem
T Jr Hardman


Ene 8, 2007, 6:09 PM


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Rudy Canoza wrote:
> Jafo wrote:
>
>>As viewed from alt.california, T Jr Hardman wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Jafo wrote:
>>>
>>>>gringogirl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY RUDY THIS IS JUST 1/100 OF THE FOUL MOUTH
>>>>>HATE CRIMES YOU HAVE POSTED -
>>
>>>> <remaining petulant bullshit cheerfully shitcanned>
>>>>
>>>>Nothing to say about the actual topic of the thread, eh?
>>
>>>Jafo, you will doubtless recall my "Amexica Improvement Corporation"
>>>posting from Sept 6 2001?
>>
>>No, I don't believe I do.
>
>
> I meant to comment in my own reply to him that it seemed awfully
> presumptuous of him, arrogant even, to think you'd remember a
> five-year-old post of his.

Trust me, if he had seen it, he would likely have remembered it, though
obviously it would have been a bit overshadowed by the events a mere
five days later.


>>>I agree that we need to do away with the birthright citizenship in cases
>>>where the parents aren't here legally.
>>
>>Absolutely. Most countries don't even *have* "birthright citizenship".
>
>
> *WE* don't have it as a matter of policy; we have it due to a couple of
> really bad court decisions. In a fairly recent decision, Scalia wrote
> an opinion that suggested the time was ripe for a new decision that
> would repeal it.

We have birthright citizenship as a policy; everyone's told that in
civics class in probably every school in the US.



--
http://thomashardman.com/ Centrist, Moderate, Republican in Maryland
A true Conservative isn't about to let
the enemies of America ruin his streams for Trout.

Re: How to solve the Latino illegal immigration problem
T Jr Hardman


Ene 8, 2007, 6:09 PM


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Sanders Kaufman wrote:
> T Jr Hardman wrote:
>
>> I agree that we need to do away with the birthright citizenship in
>> cases where the parents aren't here legally.
>
>
> Now if only you could find a Hitler to champion your cause.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20070108-125514-4201r.htm

Sorry, not Hitler. Some latino guy.



--
http://thomashardman.com/ Centrist, Moderate, Republican in Maryland
A true Conservative isn't about to let
the enemies of America ruin his streams for Trout.

Re: How to solve the Latino illegal immigration problem
T Jr Hardman


Ene 8, 2007, 6:12 PM


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Rudy Canoza wrote:
> T Jr Hardman wrote:
>
>>Jafo wrote:
>>
>>>As viewed from alt.california, gringogirl wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY RUDY THIS IS JUST 1/100 OF THE FOUL MOUTH
>>>>HATE CRIMES YOU HAVE POSTED -
>>>
>>>
>>> <remaining petulant bullshit cheerfully shitcanned>
>>>
>>>Nothing to say about the actual topic of the thread, eh?
>>
>>Jafo, you will doubtless recall my "Amexica Improvement Corporation"
>>posting from Sept 6 2001?
>>
>>I agree that we need to do away with the birthright citizenship in cases
>>where the parents aren't here legally.
>
>
> We need to do away with birthright citizenship, period. The part of
> the 14th amendment dealing with freed slaves is obsolete. Every living
> freed slave is dead, and all their descendants are now citizens by
> virtue of being the children of citizens. It's no longer needed.
>
> It's worth noting that anyone who gained citizenship under the
> birthright citizenship laws in effect at the time will not lose their
> citizenship. A change in the law would only apply to the future.

That's why we need a Supreme Court decision before any such law is
passed. Otherwise it would violate the "no ex post facto" clause in the
Constitution. However, such a decision by SCOTUS could pave the way to
retroactive stripping of citizenship of the children of illegal aliens.
They'd be "documented" and they'd never have been "migrants". And they'd
be shipped off to countries where they'd never been.

Better get the law changed QUICK, Woodie.



--
http://thomashardman.com/ Centrist, Moderate, Republican in Maryland
A true Conservative isn't about to let
the enemies of America ruin his streams for Trout.

Re: How to solve the Latino illegal immigration problem
"Tim Crowley"


Ene 8, 2007, 6:35 PM


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T Jr Hardman wrote:


>
> We have birthright citizenship as a policy; everyone's told that in
> civics class in probably every school in the US.


Please read our constitution. Please!!!!

Re: How to solve the Latino illegal immigration problem
Sanders Kaufman


Ene 8, 2007, 7:10 PM


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T Jr Hardman wrote:
> Sanders Kaufman wrote:

>> Now if only you could find a Hitler to champion your cause.
>
> http://www.washtimes.com/national/20070108-125514-4201r.htm
> Sorry, not Hitler. Some latino guy.

"Some latino guy" is your champion, eh?
What a power-house "some latino guy" must be!
Re: How to solve the Latino illegal immigration problem
"Rudy Canoza"


Ene 8, 2007, 7:17 PM


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T Jr Hardman wrote:
> Rudy Canoza wrote:
> > Jafo wrote:
> >
> >>As viewed from alt.california, T Jr Hardman wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Jafo wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>gringogirl wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY RUDY THIS IS JUST 1/100 OF THE FOUL MOUTH
> >>>>>HATE CRIMES YOU HAVE POSTED -
> >>
> >>>> <remaining petulant bullshit cheerfully shitcanned>
> >>>>
> >>>>Nothing to say about the actual topic of the thread, eh?
> >>
> >>>Jafo, you will doubtless recall my "Amexica Improvement Corporation"
> >>>posting from Sept 6 2001?
> >>
> >>No, I don't believe I do.
> >
> >
> > I meant to comment in my own reply to him that it seemed awfully
> > presumptuous of him, arrogant even, to think you'd remember a
> > five-year-old post of his.
>
> Trust me, if he had seen it, he would likely have remembered it,

Arrogance...

> >>>I agree that we need to do away with the birthright citizenship in cases
> >>>where the parents aren't here legally.
> >>
> >>Absolutely. Most countries don't even *have* "birthright citizenship".
> >
> >
> > *WE* don't have it as a matter of policy; we have it due to a couple of
> > really bad court decisions. In a fairly recent decision, Scalia wrote
> > an opinion that suggested the time was ripe for a new decision that
> > would repeal it.
>
> We have birthright citizenship as a policy;

False.


> everyone's told that in
> civics class in probably every school in the US.

No one is told that in any classroom. We don't have birthright
citizenship as a matter of policy, we have it as a matter of fact. No
administration or Congress ever set out to create birthright
citizenship as we know it.

Re: How to solve the Latino illegal immigration problem
Jafo


Ene 8, 2007, 8:25 PM


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As viewed from alt.california, Rudy Canoza wrote:

>We don't have birthright citizenship as a matter of policy, we have
>it as a matter of fact. No administration or Congress ever set out
>to create birthright citizenship as we know it.

"As we know it". That's true. The intent of that part of the 14th
Amendment was to ensure that citizenship could not be denied to former
slaves or their offspring.

I don't think we need to worry about that liklihood any more.

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Jafo
Re: How to solve the Latino illegal immigration problem
Jafo


Ene 8, 2007, 8:25 PM


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As viewed from alt.california, T Jr Hardman wrote:

>Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>Jafo wrote:
>>>T Jr Hardman wrote:
>>>>Jafo, you will doubtless recall my "Amexica Improvement
>>>>Corporation" posting from Sept 6 2001?

>>>No, I don't believe I do.

>>I meant to comment in my own reply to him that it seemed awfully
>>presumptuous of him, arrogant even, to think you'd remember a
>>five-year-old post of his.

>Trust me, if he had seen it, he would likely have remembered it,
>though obviously it would have been a bit overshadowed by the events
>a mere five days later.

Ah; I didn't pay close attention to the date you mentioned. I was on
vacation in Oregon in early September of '01. Got back just a couple
of days before 9/11, and although I had a laptop with me, I wasn't
checking the newsgroups. In fact, it was around the 6th or 8th that
I picked up a speeding ticket up in the Clear Lake, CA area... :)

>>>>I agree that we need to do away with the birthright citizenship
>>>>in cases where the parents aren't here legally.

>>>Absolutely. Most countries don't even *have* "birthright
>>>citizenship".

>>*WE* don't have it as a matter of policy; we have it due to a
>>couple of really bad court decisions. In a fairly recent decision,
>>Scalia wrote an opinion that suggested the time was ripe for a new
>>decision that would repeal it.

>We have birthright citizenship as a policy; everyone's told that in
>civics class in probably every school in the US.

Fourteenth Amendment.

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Jafo

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