T Jr Hardman
Ene 12, 2007, 8:34 AM
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Rudy Canoza wrote: > T Jr Hardman wrote: > >> Carl Nisarel wrote: >> >>> Hwæt! T Jr Hardman <blockspam_thardman@thomashardman.com>, men ne >>> cunnon secgan to soðe: >>> >>>> And what, exactly, are these "views" that are "out of the >>>> mainstream"? >>> >>> >>> >>> Repug views, dimwit. >> >> >> Republicans may not be the majority nor in control of both houses of >> Congress anymore, however, they remain _nearly_ the majority. That >> would be a clue that their views remain mainstream. > > > No. Increasingly over the past several years, the midpoint of the > Republican party - far more so than for the Democrats - has moved away > from the center, toward the extreme right. In both parties, candidates > win primaries generally by moving toward the extreme end of their > respective parties - rightward for Republicans, leftward for Democrats - > then moving more toward the center for the general elections. I beg to differ. I have seen some serious splitting of the general Republican party into at least two camps, with the main axes of polarization being along religious lines, and along the lines of national-defense/immigration. Bush II flat out lost a huge chunk of the base which had otherwise been his for the asking when he not only failed to secure the border post-9/11 but additionally offered his vision of the "Guest Worker Shamnesty". Regardless of that, the Republican base began to split on its own, primarily over religious-interpretive issues on the one hand and to some degree over support for Israel on the other hand. While doubtless the majority of Republicans are Xian, and perhaps the majority of those Xians are best classified as fundamentalist, the open expectations of the Dispensationalist factions -- best characterized by a remark attributed to former Secretary of the Interior James Watt saying "once we destroy the natural world then Jesus will come again" -- began to be countered by a swelling "Creation Conservation" movement. Outside the camp of the Fundamentalist Republicans, however, was a growing camp of non-fundie Xians and other denominations who believed in the "old school" core beliefs and who weren't going along with the radical-Xian plans. Call them the "secular-libertarian Republicans". They actually represent the center-core of the Republican base and effectively they remained where they always had been, and attracted new membership, while the Bush-Cheney "Rovites" dragged the True Follower Republicans into a faith-based extremism, in fact towards open theocracy. So I don't totally disagree with your assessment, but I do disagree that the midpoint of the Republicans moved into religious extremism. Rather, that was a few really strong leaders and their really committed followers. But as the false gods' feet of clay became better seen by increasing numbers, we got more disaffection and defection back to the centrist camp. See also the fall of Tom DeLay and the consequent -- albeit without fanfare -- erosion of the "K Street Project". > Republican extremist candidates still get the votes of center-leaning > Republicans, because party loyalty plays a role, and there's a > lesser-of-two-evils dimension to it. Oh, absolutely. Here in Maryland that's very much the case. Governor Bob Ehrlich was practically left-leaning by the Bible Belt standards of the theotropic Republican base, what with his support for Stem Cell Research (Maryland is a world leader in biotechnology) and slot-machines as an additional funding mechanism alternative to increasing general taxes. Yet even the most staunch theotropic Republicans voted for him simply because it was the closest to actual two-party government seen in Maryland since the day of Spiro T. Agnew. > But increasingly, Republican > officeholders are estranged from more centrist Republican voters, and > from *all* Democrats. Thus, they are moving out of the mainstream. > > That's what this last election was mostly about. Considering that I'm practically arguing your point for you, above, I can't entirely disagree. But I'd refine it to say that this election had elements of a sincere rejection of theotropism in party politics. I haven't yet looked into it but it may be that there's support for the thesis that those Democrats who were elected were probably the most socially-conservative, and that the Republicans unseated were the most religiously Fundamentalist. That would indicate that the voters were affirming social conservatism at the same time they rejected theocratic tropes in the Republican party. -- http://thomashardman.com/ Centrist, Moderate, Republican in Maryland A true Conservative isn't about to let the enemies of America ruin his streams for Trout.
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