On Jan 17, 10:05=A0pm, AnAmericanCitizen <NoAmne...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> A 'truth squad' aims to blunt any political dirty tricks like the smears t=
hat hurt
> his 2000 bid. Critics say he's too aggressive.
>
> By Maeve Reston, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
> January 17, 2008
>
> SPARTANBURG, S.C. -- John McCain's Republican presidential run collapsed i=
n South
> Carolina eight years ago after what his campaign later acknowledged was a =
critical
> mistake: hesitating before responding to false accusations that the candid=
ate's wife
> was a drug addict and that he fathered an illegitimate child.

Yeah yeah.. we know.. have seen it all before.. neocon clowns
attacking honest citizens.
Do you now admit it happens?

"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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If a pro-amnesty Repubican runs for President against a pro-amnesty Democrat
then Amnesty will NOT EVEN BE AN ISSUE.

If a pro-amnesty Repubican runs for President against a pro-amnesty Democrat
then Amnesty is GUARANTEED.

We can't let that happen.

No spin.

No smear.

Just a simple fact.

On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:07:16 -0500, "Patriot Games"
<Patriot@America.com> wrote:

>"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:67g0p3tvrgoh7hosj0hbn8pf3vi2pbt8te@4ax.com...
>
>If a pro-amnesty Repubican runs for President against a pro-amnesty Democrat
>then Amnesty will NOT EVEN BE AN ISSUE.
>
>If a pro-amnesty Repubican runs for President against a pro-amnesty Democrat
>then Amnesty is GUARANTEED.
>
>We can't let that happen.
>
>No spin.
>
>No smear.
>
>Just a simple fact.

We've been experiencing that fact for over seven years now.

 
"Bjorn" <was-walmart-greeter@postamerica.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:07:16 -0500, "Patriot Games"
> <Patriot@America.com> wrote:
>
>>"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>news:67g0p3tvrgoh7hosj0hbn8pf3vi2pbt8te@4ax.com...
>>
>>If a pro-amnesty Repubican runs for President against a pro-amnesty
>>Democrat
>>then Amnesty will NOT EVEN BE AN ISSUE.
>>
>>If a pro-amnesty Repubican runs for President against a pro-amnesty
>>Democrat
>>then Amnesty is GUARANTEED.
>>
>>We can't let that happen.
>>
>>No spin.
>>
>>No smear.
>>
>>Just a simple fact.
>
> We've been experiencing that fact for over seven years now.

Unfortunately, the South Carolinians - being AGAINST amnesty and wanting to
be rid of the illegals - are falling hook line and sinker and voting for
McCain - they just are NOT paying attention. I posted from Roy Beck just
before.

> Unfortunately, the South Carolinians - being AGAINST amnesty and wanting t=
o
> be rid of the illegals - are falling hook line and sinker and voting for
> McCain - they just are NOT paying attention. =A0I posted from Roy Beck jus=
t
> before.


George W McCain is also benefitting from the "Surge is working" lie
that the "liberal media" began agressively propagating just before the
primaries. He is not a maverick, he just plays one on TV.

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:59:24 -0800 (PST), Christopher Helms
<Chrishelms132@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> Unfortunately, the South Carolinians - being AGAINST amnesty and wanting to
>> be rid of the illegals - are falling hook line and sinker and voting for
>> McCain - they just are NOT paying attention.  I posted from Roy Beck just
>> before.
>
>
>George W McCain is also benefitting from the "Surge is working" lie
>that the "liberal media" began agressively propagating just before the
>primaries. He is not a maverick, he just plays one on TV.


Another dimwit that believes that journalists (the vast majority of
whom are left wingers) would lie for Bush.

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:00:03 -0500, "Tani Jantsang©"
<tjsrno@spampost.com> wrote:

>
>"Bjorn" <was-walmart-greeter@postamerica.net> wrote in message
>news:tif2p3lq7jeonb5p9hqcinb4vtkgugp72c@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:07:16 -0500, "Patriot Games"
>> <Patriot@America.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>news:67g0p3tvrgoh7hosj0hbn8pf3vi2pbt8te@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>If a pro-amnesty Repubican runs for President against a pro-amnesty
>>>Democrat
>>>then Amnesty will NOT EVEN BE AN ISSUE.
>>>
>>>If a pro-amnesty Repubican runs for President against a pro-amnesty
>>>Democrat
>>>then Amnesty is GUARANTEED.
>>>
>>>We can't let that happen.
>>>
>>>No spin.
>>>
>>>No smear.
>>>
>>>Just a simple fact.
>>
>> We've been experiencing that fact for over seven years now.
>
>Unfortunately, the South Carolinians - being AGAINST amnesty and wanting to
>be rid of the illegals - are falling hook line and sinker and voting for
>McCain - they just are NOT paying attention. I posted from Roy Beck just
>before.
>

Most people don't know anything but what floats through to them,
whatever lie is being told. My own mother and her friends, who have
many times railed about Illegal Aliens, worse than me in a way... They
are split between Hillary and Obama. My mother believed that George
Dubya Bush wants to fix the Illegals problem by getting them outta
here.

The reason the politicians tell such transparent lies about themselves
and their intentions is because most people will believe them
regardless. People just don't pay attention, they have gripes like we
do but their heads are surface-mounted.

On the Primaries, all that counts is who gets the number of locked
delegates that puts them over the top, not who wins this state or that
state. Don't buy what they say about S Carolina determining who will
be President. Before George Bush Sr was elected they said that no
sitting Vice Pres is ever elected Pres. Then the people preceeded to
elect him anyway. All that counts are the delegate numbers, not the
voodoo horseshit from media people.

 
What - Juanita McAmnasty isn't offensive enough in his own right, so now he
has to pay people to publicize just how utterly offensive he truly is.


"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:67g0p3tvrgoh7hosj0hbn8pf3vi2pbt8te@4ax.com...
>
>
> A 'truth squad' aims to blunt any political dirty tricks like the smears
> that hurt
> his 2000 bid. Critics say he's too aggressive.
>
> By Maeve Reston, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
> January 17, 2008
>
> SPARTANBURG, S.C. -- John McCain's Republican presidential run collapsed
> in South
> Carolina eight years ago after what his campaign later acknowledged was a
> critical
> mistake: hesitating before responding to false accusations that the
> candidate's wife
> was a drug addict and that he fathered an illegitimate child.
>
> With South Carolina again emerging as a pivotal battleground in McCain's
> campaign for
> the presidency, his campaign is moving aggressively -- too aggressively,
> critics say
> -- to make sure the Arizona senator doesn't fall victim to personal smears
> again.
>
> The centerpiece of its strategy is a group that calls itself the "truth
> squad." It
> was established this month to preempt or blunt any new political dirty
> tricks, such
> as a recent mailing sent to several dozen South Carolina newspapers
> accusing McCain
> of betraying fellow prisoners during the Vietnam War.
>
> McCain's truth squad is headed by South Carolina Atty. Gen. Henry
> McMaster, state
> Speaker of the House Bobby Harrell and state Adjutant General Stan Spears.
> Even as
> the McCain campaign was preparing a mailer last week critical of former
> Massachusetts
> Gov. Mitt Romney's record on abortion and taxes, McCain promised that his
> group would
> swing back hard if it saw anything reminiscent of the 2000 attacks against
> him.
>
> The squad's role was evident Wednesday when Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.),
> a state
> co-chairman for the McCain campaign, appeared at a McCain rally in
> Greenville, S.C.,
> and told the crowd to watch for "some garbage in the mail out there and
> the phone."
> He asked the veterans in the audience to "watch John's back."
>
> At the next event, in Spartanburg, McMaster, another campaign co-chairman,
> said the
> political season was beginning to look like "Halloween with a full moon"
> where
> "people will do most anything."
>
> "Don't pay attention to that stuff," he said.
>
> McCain told reporters on his campaign bus that "scurrilous stuff" had
> started again,
> referring to the mailing about his prisoner-of-war experience, among other
> things.
> "We will not let it go this time," he said.
>
> The effort riled, among others, the campaign of McCain rival Romney.
>
> "It was very quiet until McCain's people revved it up," said J. Warren
> Tompkins, a
> South Carolina consultant to the Romney campaign.
>
> "To me," Tompkins said, "they're boxing ghosts, because nobody is really
> doing
> anything."
>
> An advisor to the Romney campaign also accused the McCain camp of
> hypocrisy, citing a
> McCain mailing in South Carolina that the advisor said distorted Romney's
> record.
>
> The McCain campaign also was taken to task by FactCheck.org, a nonpartisan
> website
> run by the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of
> Pennsylvania. Alluding
> to McCain's campaign bus, it said, "McCain's 'Straight Talk Express' took
> a wrong
> turn with this mailer."
>
> McCain advisors say they are trying to protect their candidate from a
> repeat of the
> tactics that badly hurt his bid in 2000.
>
> Charles Black, a McCain advisor, said eight years ago the senator's
> campaign did not
> realize how widespread the attacks were until it was too late. McCain, he
> said,
> "didn't want to get down into the gutter with these guys. . . . He didn't
> want to
> personally respond."
>
> "By the time he did, all kinds of terrible smear things had gotten off,"
> Black said.
>
> This time, he said, "People know what happened in 2000 and they've heard
> these
> leaders in the state warn them of this."
>
> Black cited the automated phone calls to South Carolina residents Tuesday
> and
> Wednesday that masqueraded as a polling effort but were an apparent ploy
> to push
> Republican voters to vote for another major Republican candidate, former
> Arkansas
> Gov. Mike Huckabee. The McCain campaign condemned the calls as "a massive
> push-polling effort disparaging rivals" of Huckabee.
>
> It attributed the calls to Common Sense Issues, a nonprofit political
> organization
> based in Colorado Springs, Colo. Patrick Davis, executive director of the
> group, told
> the Associated Press that Common Sense began its calls Tuesday and would
> complete
> them today. The group has pledged to make 1 million phone calls in South
> Carolina
> supporting Huckabee.
>
> Huckabee, who has distanced himself from the group, said in a prepared
> statement that
> his campaign "has nothing to do with push-polling and I wish they would
> stop. We
> don't want this kind of campaigning because it violates the spirit of our
> campaign."
>
> The McCain camp also responded forcefully to a flier from Vietnam Veterans
> Against
> McCain. The flier showed a caricature of McCain with swollen jowls
> crouched in a
> prison cell, and included scrawled messages including "AN ENORMOUS CRIME"
> and
> "SONGBIRD."
>
> The text accused McCain of breaking down while in captivity as a prisoner
> of war and
> giving up information about U.S. military operations.
>
> Reached at his home in Garnerville, N.Y., Gerard Kiley, the founder and
> sole member
> of Vietnam Veterans Against McCain, said McCain "allows the media to call
> him a hero
> when he's not."
>
> Kiley, who said he was involved in a similar effort against the Democratic
> presidential candidacy of John F. Kerry in 2004, added that he was not
> associated
> with any of the current presidential contenders.
>
> McCain's campaign arranged for Orson Swindle, a prisoner of war with
> McCain, to rebut
> the attack.
>
> In a statement, Swindle said, "The truth is, the North Vietnamese offered
> John McCain
> early release, and he refused."
>
> McCain "stood by his fellow POWs until the end -- even at the risk of his
> own life as
> he was severely injured," Swindle said.
>
> The political attacks in South Carolina were particularly ferocious in
> 2000, when
> anonymous callers accused McCain's wife, Cindy, of "being a drug addict,"
> he recalled
> Wednesday.
>
> Fliers and phone calls also insinuated that the McCains' daughter Bridget,
> whom they
> adopted from Bangladesh, was an illegitimate "black baby."
>
> The McCain campaign sent out a glossy mailer last week highlighting
> Bridget's
> adoption from Mother Teresa's orphanage in Bangladesh in 1993.
>
> The mailer, which touted McCain's record of "protecting the rights of the
> unborn,"
> showed Cindy carrying the baby wrapped in blankets.
>
> Some of Romney's aides called the McCain campaign's efforts hypocritical.
>
> They said that, at the same time the McCain campaign was scolding Romney
> for "attack
> ads," McCain's camp sent a South Carolina mailer claiming Romney "provided
> taxpayer-funded abortions" in a state-subsidized health program.
>
> As Romney's campaign pointed out, the state was required to pay for
> medically
> necessary abortions by court order.
>
> FactCheck.org said the claim was "unfair and misleading at best."
>
> "The very day they were beating their chest with righteous indignation,"
> the McCain
> campaign was printing a hit piece, said Romney's South Carolina
> communications
> director, Will Holley.
>
> A McCain spokesman replied that Romney "has attacked John McCain with a
> barrage of
> negative and misleading TV ads and mailers for months on end. We feel
> justified in
> responding with the facts."
>
> Scott H. Huffmon, a professor at South Carolina's Winthrop University in
> Rock Hill,
> S.C., said the McCain campaign's overall approach to heading off potential
> personal
> attacks appeared to be savvy.
>
> "In any other part of the country this would seem like an overreaction,
> but to me it
> seemed natural here," he said.
>
> "Politics has always been personal and bare-knuckled in South Carolina. .
> . . In the
> recent past, [McCain] suffered as bad or worse as anyone at the hands of
> the smear-
> campaigners."
>
> Huffmon said: "If people get a [misleading] flier under their windshield
> in this
> election, they may have the context to kind of know the truth."
>
> maeve.reston@latimes.com
>
> Times staff writers Michael Finnegan, Stuart Silverstein and Nona Yates
> contributed
> to this report.
>

"Tani Jantsang©" <tjsrno@spampost.com> wrote in message
news:13p5b3s192naj36@corp.supernews.com...
> "Bjorn" <was-walmart-greeter@postamerica.net> wrote in message
> news:tif2p3lq7jeonb5p9hqcinb4vtkgugp72c@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:07:16 -0500, "Patriot Games"
>> <Patriot@America.com> wrote:
>>>"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>news:67g0p3tvrgoh7hosj0hbn8pf3vi2pbt8te@4ax.com...
>>>If a pro-amnesty Repubican runs for President against a pro-amnesty
>>>Democrat
>>>then Amnesty will NOT EVEN BE AN ISSUE.
>>>If a pro-amnesty Repubican runs for President against a pro-amnesty
>>>Democrat
>>>then Amnesty is GUARANTEED.
>>>We can't let that happen.
>>>No spin.
>>>No smear.
>>>Just a simple fact.
>> We've been experiencing that fact for over seven years now.
> Unfortunately, the South Carolinians - being AGAINST amnesty and wanting
> to be rid of the illegals - are falling hook line and sinker and voting
> for McCain - they just are NOT paying attention. I posted from Roy Beck
> just before.

Its true. They seem to have nearly split evenly between Hack
(evangelical-only) and McAmnesty (allegedly defense & foreign policy).

They weren't paying attention.

if Florida goes to Rudy then Super Tuesday will be a mess.

Florida:
McCain: 23.2%
Giuliani: 20.3%
Romney: 18.0%
Huckabee: 17.3%
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/florida-primary.html

"Christopher Helms" <Chrishelms132@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fc150c21-ee78-43df-b255-6f8b44ca1408@z17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> Unfortunately, the South Carolinians - being AGAINST amnesty and wanting
>> to
>> be rid of the illegals - are falling hook line and sinker and voting for
>> McCain - they just are NOT paying attention. I posted from Roy Beck just
>> before.
>George W McCain is also benefitting from the "Surge is working" lie

The surged worked fine. You're a fool.

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:15:51 -0500, "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> wrote:

>"Tani Jantsang©" <tjsrno@spampost.com> wrote in message
>news:13p5b3s192naj36@corp.supernews.com...
>> "Bjorn" <was-walmart-greeter@postamerica.net> wrote in message
>> news:tif2p3lq7jeonb5p9hqcinb4vtkgugp72c@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:07:16 -0500, "Patriot Games"
>>> <Patriot@America.com> wrote:
>>>>"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:67g0p3tvrgoh7hosj0hbn8pf3vi2pbt8te@4ax.com...
>>>>If a pro-amnesty Repubican runs for President against a pro-amnesty
>>>>Democrat
>>>>then Amnesty will NOT EVEN BE AN ISSUE.
>>>>If a pro-amnesty Repubican runs for President against a pro-amnesty
>>>>Democrat
>>>>then Amnesty is GUARANTEED.
>>>>We can't let that happen.
>>>>No spin.
>>>>No smear.
>>>>Just a simple fact.
>>> We've been experiencing that fact for over seven years now.
>> Unfortunately, the South Carolinians - being AGAINST amnesty and wanting
>> to be rid of the illegals - are falling hook line and sinker and voting
>> for McCain - they just are NOT paying attention. I posted from Roy Beck
>> just before.
>
>Its true. They seem to have nearly split evenly between Hack
>(evangelical-only) and McAmnesty (allegedly defense & foreign policy).
>
>They weren't paying attention.
>
>if Florida goes to Rudy then Super Tuesday will be a mess.
>
>Florida:
>McCain: 23.2%
>Giuliani: 20.3%
>Romney: 18.0%
>Huckabee: 17.3%
>http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/florida-primary.html
>
An interesting point brought up on Fox was that most of the Florida absentee votes
have already been sent in so the caucus and primary in NV and SC respectively might
not be that influenced by the outcomes in those two spots.

You're in Florida, PG, what say you?.....AAC

 
Bjorn <was-walmart-greeter@postamerica.net> wrote:

>>
>
>Most people don't know anything but what floats through to them,
>whatever lie is being told. My own mother and her friends, who have
>many times railed about Illegal Aliens, worse than me in a way... They
>are split between Hillary and Obama. My mother believed that George
>Dubya Bush wants to fix the Illegals problem by getting them outta
>here.
>
>The reason the politicians tell such transparent lies about themselves
>and their intentions is because most people will believe them
>regardless. People just don't pay attention, they have gripes like we
>do but their heads are surface-mounted.
>
My guess is that no more than 10-15% of the population has a clue
about immigration issues or much of anything else of importance.
The crooks who run the show know this and count on it. They
can hoodwink the average Joe and Jane into acting against they're
own best interests. That's democracy in an age of mass media
and dumbed down educational standards.

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:15:51 -0500, "Patriot Games"
<Patriot@America.com> wrote:


>if Florida goes to Rudy then Super Tuesday will be a mess. <snip>

If Rootie Tootie gets it in Florida AND takes it after Tsunami Tuesday
(probably only by McCain and Romney both dropping dead) the GOP will
cease to exist as any sort of cohesive political party. The church
nutters will bolt the party in droves, as will what's left of the
"Goldwater wing" of the party now anchored with McCain. The
"Rockefeller wing" doesn't care about the party anymore anyway, as
they're too busy feeding their globalist greed. That'll leave the
trailer park survivalists, Usenet kOOks, the Moonies and tabloid
readers...some "party!"

Move over, Whigs!

By the way, your poll results aren't correct. Averaging of all
credible statewide polls (no, Faux News is NOT a credible polling
organization, due to deliberate spinning of numbers for years, and
neither is Zogby), McCain is now leading Giuiliani by around 7% of
"likely" voters. Of course, who's "likely" to vote in Flori-DUH is
always a quandry...most can't even figure out how to work a
Vote-A-Matic, as was proven in 2000.

"realclearpolitics.com"....<snicker>

You really need to graduate to "adult" sources of information.

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:32:51 -0800, dann <dann@no.net> wrote:

>
>Bjorn <was-walmart-greeter@postamerica.net> wrote:
>
>>>
>>
>>Most people don't know anything but what floats through to them,
>>whatever lie is being told. My own mother and her friends, who have
>>many times railed about Illegal Aliens, worse than me in a way... They
>>are split between Hillary and Obama. My mother believed that George
>>Dubya Bush wants to fix the Illegals problem by getting them outta
>>here.
>>
>>The reason the politicians tell such transparent lies about themselves
>>and their intentions is because most people will believe them
>>regardless. People just don't pay attention, they have gripes like we
>>do but their heads are surface-mounted.
>>
>My guess is that no more than 10-15% of the population has a clue
>about immigration issues or much of anything else of importance.
>The crooks who run the show know this and count on it. They
>can hoodwink the average Joe and Jane into acting against they're
>own best interests. That's democracy in an age of mass media
>and dumbed down educational standards.

Oh, we have huge percentage of people mad about immigration issues, up
in the 80+ percentile. People with other axes to grind could only wish
they had the numbers on their side that he do. But it doesn't always
play out as it should. These same people are just disconnected when it
comes to the candidates they support and elect, they believe whatever
they hear and see. And they have short memories. It's like the TV
generation, whatever is in front of them gets them excited and then
its gone and on to the next

 
"Bjorn" <was-walmart-greeter@postamerica.net> wrote in message
news:8aj9p3hjgbie9nn0hjdf8lvg96ve93j6t5@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:32:51 -0800, dann <dann@no.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>Bjorn <was-walmart-greeter@postamerica.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Most people don't know anything but what floats through to them,
>>>whatever lie is being told. My own mother and her friends, who have
>>>many times railed about Illegal Aliens, worse than me in a way... They
>>>are split between Hillary and Obama. My mother believed that George
>>>Dubya Bush wants to fix the Illegals problem by getting them outta
>>>here.
>>>
>>>The reason the politicians tell such transparent lies about themselves
>>>and their intentions is because most people will believe them
>>>regardless. People just don't pay attention, they have gripes like we
>>>do but their heads are surface-mounted.
>>>
>>My guess is that no more than 10-15% of the population has a clue
>>about immigration issues or much of anything else of importance.
>>The crooks who run the show know this and count on it. They
>>can hoodwink the average Joe and Jane into acting against they're
>>own best interests. That's democracy in an age of mass media
>>and dumbed down educational standards.
>
> Oh, we have huge percentage of people mad about immigration issues, up
> in the 80+ percentile. People with other axes to grind could only wish
> they had the numbers on their side that he do. But it doesn't always
> play out as it should. These same people are just disconnected when it
> comes to the candidates they support and elect, they believe whatever
> they hear and see. And they have short memories. It's like the TV
> generation, whatever is in front of them gets them excited and then
> its gone and on to the next


And don't you just know those same people are walking encyclopedias on
professional sports, can cite date, time, chapter and verse of any player
or play made over the last 40 years in any given sport.

dann <dann@no.net> used a stick in the sand to babble
>>Most people don't know anything but what floats through to them,
>>whatever lie is being told. My own mother and her friends, who have
>>many times railed about Illegal Aliens, worse than me in a way... They
>>are split between Hillary and Obama. My mother believed that George
>>Dubya Bush wants to fix the Illegals problem by getting them outta
>>here.

I wouldn't want to say anything bad about anybody's mom so I think
I'll skip any further comment. :-) (hoping you take that in the spirit
in which it's intended"

>>The reason the politicians tell such transparent lies about themselves
>>and their intentions is because most people will believe them
>>regardless. People just don't pay attention, they have gripes like we
>>do but their heads are surface-mounted.

Surface-mounted? Hmm.... BWAHAHAHA! Good one, Centurion!

>My guess is that no more than 10-15% of the population has a clue
>about immigration issues or much of anything else of importance.
>The crooks who run the show know this and count on it. They
>can hoodwink the average Joe and Jane into acting against they're
>own best interests. That's democracy in an age of mass media
>and dumbed down educational standards.

I agree. The GOP co-option of values voters is the perfect example.
Divorced Hollywood actor Ronald Reagan made use of them to remove a
Southern Baptist sunday school teacher from office. Ever since then,
any politician who has supported personal liberties, reductions in
government power and/or expressing Christian compassion through
government action has been soundly quashed by the very religionists
you expect would be demanding personal freedom, governmental non
interference and government assistance for the unfortunate.

It's a twist in reality Rod Serling would have found too bizarre to
film . . .

Swill

"Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> used a stick in the sand to
babble
>> Unfortunately, the South Carolinians - being AGAINST amnesty and wanting
>> to be rid of the illegals - are falling hook line and sinker and voting
>> for McCain - they just are NOT paying attention. I posted from Roy Beck
>> just before.
>
>Its true. They seem to have nearly split evenly between Hack
>(evangelical-only) and McAmnesty (allegedly defense & foreign policy).
>
>They weren't paying attention.
>
>if Florida goes to Rudy then Super Tuesday will be a mess.
>
>Florida:
>McCain: 23.2%
>Giuliani: 20.3%
>Romney: 18.0%
>Huckabee: 17.3%
>http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/florida-primary.html

It's looking more and more like a floor fight followed by a backroom
deal that won't be based on voter input.

Swill

"Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> used a stick in the sand to
babble
>"Christopher Helms" <Chrishelms132@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:fc150c21-ee78-43df-b255-6f8b44ca1408@z17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>> Unfortunately, the South Carolinians - being AGAINST amnesty and wanting
>>> to
>>> be rid of the illegals - are falling hook line and sinker and voting for
>>> McCain - they just are NOT paying attention. I posted from Roy Beck just
>>> before.
>>George W McCain is also benefitting from the "Surge is working" lie
>
>The surged worked fine. You're a fool.

The Pentagon announced last week that we now have achieved security
and control of 75% of Baghdad. Wait . . . another year of giving
Bush everything he wants for the war and the best measure of progress
the Pent can come up with is that we now control a majority of the
Capitol?

I suspect the Surge is working only to the degree that it has reduce
American casualties. In terms of achieving any sort of long term,
positive solution, it has failed utterly.

The Pentagon also announced this week that the supply of Iranian
weapons to terrorists operating in Iraq has dropped sharply.

Swill

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:22:26 GMT, "Lets Roll"
<letsroll@meet-me-in-hell.com> wrote:

>
>"Bjorn" <was-walmart-greeter@postamerica.net> wrote in message
>news:8aj9p3hjgbie9nn0hjdf8lvg96ve93j6t5@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:32:51 -0800, dann <dann@no.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Bjorn <was-walmart-greeter@postamerica.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Most people don't know anything but what floats through to them,
>>>>whatever lie is being told. My own mother and her friends, who have
>>>>many times railed about Illegal Aliens, worse than me in a way... They
>>>>are split between Hillary and Obama. My mother believed that George
>>>>Dubya Bush wants to fix the Illegals problem by getting them outta
>>>>here.
>>>>
>>>>The reason the politicians tell such transparent lies about themselves
>>>>and their intentions is because most people will believe them
>>>>regardless. People just don't pay attention, they have gripes like we
>>>>do but their heads are surface-mounted.
>>>>
>>>My guess is that no more than 10-15% of the population has a clue
>>>about immigration issues or much of anything else of importance.
>>>The crooks who run the show know this and count on it. They
>>>can hoodwink the average Joe and Jane into acting against they're
>>>own best interests. That's democracy in an age of mass media
>>>and dumbed down educational standards.
>>
>> Oh, we have huge percentage of people mad about immigration issues, up
>> in the 80+ percentile. People with other axes to grind could only wish
>> they had the numbers on their side that he do. But it doesn't always
>> play out as it should. These same people are just disconnected when it
>> comes to the candidates they support and elect, they believe whatever
>> they hear and see. And they have short memories. It's like the TV
>> generation, whatever is in front of them gets them excited and then
>> its gone and on to the next
>
>
>And don't you just know those same people are walking encyclopedias on
>professional sports, can cite date, time, chapter and verse of any player
>or play made over the last 40 years in any given sport.
>

It struck home when Arnold tried to get passed the economic reform
measures that the people supposedly elected him to carry out. They
were hot for it then. A year later they rejected the ballot
Propositions to do those very things they had elected him to do. They
did it because the state employee unions bought a bunch of TV
commercials and lied about what they were. They didn't stretch the
truth; they bald-faced lied. And all these voters who had luved the
Governator when he was running just duhhhhhhh... believed every one
the lies and rejected his entire program. All you need is a TV
commercial and most people will swallow it whole. That's why so many
of these politicians bank of the bribe money that buys campaign
commericals, rather than doing us right and counting on us to
reciprocate.

Now, the state is running face-first into a major financial disaster,
in part because of that rejection of Arnold's proposals. And of
course, they are already blaming him for this disaster many of them.

Most people, the majority of ordinary folk out there, are just fuckin
idiots basically.

On Jan 17, 10:05=A0pm, AnAmericanCitizen <NoAmne...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> A 'truth squad' aims to blunt any political dirty tricks like the smears t=
hat hurt
> his 2000 bid. Critics say he's too aggressive.
>
> By Maeve Reston, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
> January 17, 2008
>
> SPARTANBURG, S.C. -- John McCain's Republican presidential run collapsed i=
n South
> Carolina eight years ago after what his campaign later acknowledged was a =
critical
> mistake: hesitating before responding to false accusations that the candid=
ate's wife
> was a drug addict and that he fathered an illegitimate child.
>
> With South Carolina again emerging as a pivotal battleground in McCain's c=
ampaign for
> the presidency, his campaign is moving aggressively -- too aggressively, c=
ritics say
> -- to make sure the Arizona senator doesn't fall victim to personal smears=
again.

'Stink boat..so exciting and (un)new..
Come aboard now.. let the stink engulf you... '

Ok then, McCain is elected..
First comes continued quagmiration in Iraq and Afghanistan..
Then Iran..
Then North Vietnam for that unfinished bit of business.

=2E.and all on that neocon credit card.

Romney would just send white-shirted missionaries.
'Hooter' Thompson would send wifey on a USO tour.
Huckabuck would send the fire of damnation.
Hillary would send regards from Israel.
Osama Obama would just do whatever Reagan would have done.

"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e20ap3d22opslv2ldo99l05gif3llvo1kk@4ax.com...
> "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> used a stick in the sand to
> babble
>>"Christopher Helms" <Chrishelms132@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:fc150c21-ee78-43df-b255-6f8b44ca1408@z17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Unfortunately, the South Carolinians - being AGAINST amnesty and
>>>> wanting
>>>> to
>>>> be rid of the illegals - are falling hook line and sinker and voting
>>>> for
>>>> McCain - they just are NOT paying attention. I posted from Roy Beck
>>>> just
>>>> before.
>>>George W McCain is also benefitting from the "Surge is working" lie
>>The surged worked fine. You're a fool.
> The Pentagon announced last week that we now have achieved security
> and control of 75% of Baghdad.

Cite?

> The Pentagon also announced this week that the supply of Iranian
> weapons to terrorists operating in Iraq has dropped sharply.

No, that's not what they announced.

Now go try again and come back promptly with what they actually did
announce. And don't forget to Quote and Cite.

On Jan 18, 6:07 pm, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:
> If a pro-amnesty Repubican runs for President
> against a pro-amnesty Democrat then Amnesty
> will NOT EVEN BE AN ISSUE.
> If a pro-amnesty Repubican runs for President against a pro-amnesty
> Democrat then Amnesty is GUARANTEED.

The name of your party is spelled "Republician", not "Repubican",
Patriot Games. Why am I not surprised you misspelled that.

So WHO are you going to vote for, PG? Hm.

McCain - favors immigration reform, "moderate" of the GOP candidates,
even though he wants to keep American troops in Iraq for another 100
years.

Giulian - pro-choice and pro-gay rights.

Romney - was pro-choice and pro-gay rights, major flip-flopped, hired
illegal aliens himself...and *Mormon*!

Ron Paul - Libertarian, not a conservative, especially not an
ultraconservative.

Huckabee - believes the Earth was created 6,000 years ago -- may pull
out of Florida because of lack of money (i.e. lack of support).

And your vote, Patriot Games, goes to...???

-Tom Sr.

On Jan 20, 10:15=A0am, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:
> "Tani Jantsang=A9" <tjs...@spampost.com> wrote in message
> news:13p5b3s192naj36@corp.supernews.com...
> > Unfortunately, the South Carolinians - being AGAINST amnesty and wanting=

> > to be rid of the illegals - are falling hook line and sinker and voting
> > for McCain - they just are NOT paying attention. =A0I posted from Roy Be=
ck
> > just before.
> --
> Its true. =A0They seem to have nearly split evenly between Hack
> (evangelical-only) and McAmnesty (allegedly defense & foreign policy).
> They weren't paying attention.

HELL FREEZES OVER!!!

PATRIOT GAMES *AGREES* WITH SATANIC COMMUNIST, TANI JANTSANG!!!

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From: "Tani Jantsang" <tjs...@SPAMpost.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:43:26 GMT
Local: Thurs, Nov 18 2004 5:43 am
Subject: Re: the alt.satanism FAQ

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SATANIC REDS - SOCIAL REALISTS INFORMATION
www.geocities.com/satanicreds/ or http://satanicreds.says.it

see "Are you a Satanic Red?"

and

FAQ for the organization

*********************************************
Unity in the Adamantine Esoteric Tradition of the Boundless Darkness,
what
we call the Dark Tradition - Tani Jantsang

This, what we present in our organization and sell monographs on, is
an
Adamantine Doctrine said universally to have been The Doctrine of the
prior
world age, the 4th world age, the Satya Yuga. Some systems categorize
the
Yugas in another order. Pesh Hun transmitted it to the people in the
Kali
Yuga. Blavatsky was told some of this by someone in India, for sure.
But
she distorted the darker aspects of it. She distorted the Hindu
Creation
Hymn, which is similar to our "Darkness is One."

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SATANIC REDS ORGANIZATION:

Satanic Reds exists as an alternative to the "Satanism" that is so
tied up
with Judeo-Christianity. It is, in fact, a Left Hand Path
organization as
far as occult doctrines go. The doctrines are wholly outside of the
Christian world view. The concepts of becoming (xeper), an
intermediate
state between non-being and being that all things in the cosmos exist
in a
state of, i.e, all things are Becoming and Inner Will (thelema) are in
these
Doctrines, and always were from ancient times. But the wailing angst
of
people rebelling against their own Christian backgrounds is wholly
left
out - it's not in SR, it doesn't exist.

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"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:5lr7p35lfdhukh29f0gr6op3jnrt8u6tsq@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:15:51 -0500, "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com>
> wrote:
>>"Tani Jantsang©" <tjsrno@spampost.com> wrote in message
>>news:13p5b3s192naj36@corp.supernews.com...
>>> "Bjorn" <was-walmart-greeter@postamerica.net> wrote in message
>>> news:tif2p3lq7jeonb5p9hqcinb4vtkgugp72c@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:07:16 -0500, "Patriot Games"
>>>> <Patriot@America.com> wrote:
>>>>>"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:67g0p3tvrgoh7hosj0hbn8pf3vi2pbt8te@4ax.com...
>>>>>If a pro-amnesty Repubican runs for President against a pro-amnesty
>>>>>Democrat
>>>>>then Amnesty will NOT EVEN BE AN ISSUE.
>>>>>If a pro-amnesty Repubican runs for President against a pro-amnesty
>>>>>Democrat
>>>>>then Amnesty is GUARANTEED.
>>>>>We can't let that happen.
>>>>>No spin.
>>>>>No smear.
>>>>>Just a simple fact.
>>>> We've been experiencing that fact for over seven years now.
>>> Unfortunately, the South Carolinians - being AGAINST amnesty and wanting
>>> to be rid of the illegals - are falling hook line and sinker and voting
>>> for McCain - they just are NOT paying attention. I posted from Roy Beck
>>> just before.
>>Its true. They seem to have nearly split evenly between Hack
>>(evangelical-only) and McAmnesty (allegedly defense & foreign policy).
>>They weren't paying attention.
>>if Florida goes to Rudy then Super Tuesday will be a mess.
>>Florida:
>>McCain: 23.2%
>>Giuliani: 20.3%
>>Romney: 18.0%
>>Huckabee: 17.3%
>>http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/florida-primary.html
> An interesting point brought up on Fox was that most of the Florida
> absentee votes
> have already been sent in so the caucus and primary in NV and SC
> respectively might
> not be that influenced by the outcomes in those two spots.
> You're in Florida, PG, what say you?.....AAC

Back in the 60s when most of America was pissing down their leg and hiding
under their bed we Floridians we living 90 miles from Communist Cuba. We
still are, and we don't hide. Per capita the South Atlantic states have
provided more military volunteers than any other region.

Several weeks ago Mitt was all over the TV, then up and quit.

Rudy has been all over TV for a couple of months. Very consistent.

Haven't seen a McAmnesty Ad yet...

Florida is a BIG state and we're very much a microcosm of America. Not
identical, but very similar. Northern FL equals the so-called Deep South.
Central FL is Retirement Central. South Florida East is Hispanic, Cuban,
old classic Florida. South Florida West is very old classic Florida plus
families of retirees of decades past.

Miami is mostly ethnic and not GOP, Tampa is largely active and retired
military and can go either way (sort of like McAmnesty). Orlando is
younger, more classic dark urban, very Liberal.

Most (real) Floridians are religious, quite conservative, extremely
pro-military. Most (real) Floridians consider ourselves and our state
almost like a separate country. We like the rest of you okay, not so much
really, but a little bit. We are intensely, maybe violently, protective of
OUR State and we'll NEVER let any of the rest of you think its any part
yours. Feel free to come here for two weeks, spend your money, shut your
mouth, then get the fuck out. Feel free to come here to die, spend your
money, do not dare pretend you are a Floridian, shut your mouth, and don't
out-live your money because we aren't gonna carry you.

Most (real) Floridians don't give a shit if you're a Democrat or a
Republican or whatever. If we come first to you then you come first to us.
Call yourself anydamnedname you want.

Most transplants are older Northeastern classic Democrats (JFK, HHH,
Lieberman, etc.) and that's why we're a Red State because most older classic
Democrats are NOT Socialists.

So...

We don't have a state income tax here in Florida (yet). Mitt's advisors are
FOOLS for NOT emphasizing the COST of Criminal Amnesty. If he doesn't
IMMEDIATELY focus on that he'll lose to McAmnesty. ps for Mitt: We
invented and pioneered Concealed Carry, which most of the Nation now enjoys.
You have disrespected it (and us) by ignoring that. You need to wise up -
FAST - because we're used to forgeting folks after their scheduled two
weeks.

Important Note to Hack: a) We only recently decommissioned Old Sparky, your
pardons aren't gonna sell well here. b) Religion is personal and private.
We're glad you got some, but keep it to yourself. c) You failed to spend a
bunch of money here. Big mistake. Bye-bye.

Rudy. Rudy, Rudy, Rudy... WTF? Rudy, looking back, how smart was it to
spend all that time here IGNORING REAL FLORIDIANS!?!?!? Thanks for spending
a bunch of money here, now maybe try to get our actual attention?

McAmnesty is a practiced liar and as a RINO is getting attention from a lot
of Centrists who are really disinterested classic Dems and classic GOP.
Since Ruy is impotent here and Mitt quit it looks like McAmnesty will win.

Hitlary: 48.8%
Buckwheat: 29.8%

Hitlary is afraid of Florida. Nobody knows why. But the northeastern
blue-hair Dems will vote for her out of habit.

Buckwheat is afraid of Florida. Everybody knows why. Those numbers (29.8%)
are probably accurate. He could win Florida if he wanted to.

Clarifying emendation re Old Sparky. A one-foot blue flame did not shoot
out of it during an execution in the late 90s. A two-foot mostly hissing
blue flame shot out of the convict's left eye hole because God loves Florida
and hates murderers!

YeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeHAW!