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Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Bill Bonde


Feb 25, 2007, 4:31 PM


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Mitchell Holman wrote:
>
> Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
> news:45E1E3AD.C80CE103@yahoo.co.uk:
>
> >
> >
> > Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>
> >> kompressor <merc@des.benz> wrote in
> >> news:wajEh.9987$gl2.4523@fe10.news.easynews.com:
> >>
> >> > Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >> >> kompressor <merc@des.benz> wrote in news:ZP9Eh.3718$_X1.3164
> >> >> @fe05.news.easynews.com:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >> >>>> kompressor <merc@des.benz> wrote in news:%47Eh.5412$k82.1626
> >> >>>> @fe07.news.easynews.com:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >> >>>>>> "Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in news:4t-
> >> >>>>>> dnb7N5a2wOH3YnZ2dnUVZ_s7inZ2d@comcast.com:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Al Smith wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>> On Feb 24, 12:27 pm, use...@mile23.c0m (Paul Mitchum) wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>> Al Smith <caddyshack...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >> >>>> http://www.break.com/index/pro_abortionist_attacks_pro_life_woman.h
> >> >>>> tml
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Nice...
> >> >>>>>>>>> Why do you think you're anything but foolish for saying that
> >> >>>> 'leftists'
> >> >>>>>>>>> are represented by a single person whose stated gripe had
> >> >>>>>>>>> nothing
> >> >> to
> >> >>>> do
> >> >>>>>>>>> with the political message, but the images of dead fetuses on
> >> >>>>>>>>> signboards?
> >> >>>>>>>> Because it happens all the time. It's not an isolated
> >> >>>>>>>> incident.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv9xa-VxchM
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Tell you what. You park your car with a "Kerry Edwards"
> >> >>>>>>>> sticker in
> >> >> my
> >> >>>>>>>> neighborhood, I'll park my car with a "Bush Cheney" in your
> >> >>>>>>>> neighborhood. I'll pay for your repairs and you pay for mine.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> yep! Leftists believe in free speech just as long as IT IS
> >> >>>>>>> THEIR FREE SPEECH.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Shooting abortion doctors in the back and
> >> >>>>> Compares in what numbers to owning the mass media and controlling
> >> >>>>> the universities?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Who controls what universities?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>> Uh.....the LEFT!
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> That explains "leftist" college professors like
> >> >> Newt Gingrich and Dick Armey and Phil Gramm and Henry
> >> >> Kissinger and Ken Starr.
> >> >>
> >> >> Yeah, right.....................
> >> >
> >> > And they constitute the MAJORITY????
> >> >
> >> > Liberal bias in colleges bleeds into classroom
> >> > by Cal Thomas
> >> > Townhall.com
> >> > March 31, 2005
> >> > http://www.townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/ct20050330.shtml
> >> >
> >> > You'd better sit down and firmly grip your bowl of Corn Flakes while
> >> > reading this shocking news: College faculties are not only mostly
> >> > liberal, but lean even further to the left than conservatives have
> >> > imagined.
> >> >
> >> > According to a study by professors at Smith College, George Mason
> >> > University and the University of Toronto (they surveyed 1,643
> >> > full-time faculty at 183 four-year schools), 72 percent of professors
> >> > at American universities labeled themselves liberal, while just 15
> >> > percent said they are conservative. 50 percent of faculty members
> >> > identified themselves as Democrats and only 11 percent Republicans.
> >>
> >> So what you are trying to say is that educated
> >> people tend to be liberal and stupid people tend to
> >> be conservative.
> >>
> >> Tell us something we don't already know.........;)
> >>
> > It's not very smart of you to conclude that academia represents the
> > location of the smartest people.
>
> It represents those smarter than "C-average"
> Bush and dropout Rush Limbaugh, that's for sure!
>
And Al Gore?




> >> Mitchell Holman
> >>
> >> "Even if polar ice caps melted, there would be
> >> no rise in ocean levels"
> >> - Rush Limbaugh, 6/19/92
> >>
> > The north polar ice cap.
>
> Rush said caps. As in plural. As in both of them.
>
That would make him wrong.


> Since you can't defend that stupidity from dropout
> Rush, maybe you can defend this one.
>
I fail to see how an added 's' makes him stupid.


> "It has not been proven that nicotine is addictive, the
> same with cigarettes causing emphysema and other diseases."
> Rush Limbaugh, Radio show, 4/29/94
>
That was the standard line back then. I think there is some evidence
that tobacco might be a bit addictive now, however.


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Polar bears can't find their meals
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Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
"Iarnrod"


Feb 25, 2007, 4:56 PM


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On Feb 25, 1:38 pm, kompressor <m...@des.benz> wrote:
> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> > Bill Bonde <tributyltinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
> >news:45E1E3AD.C80CE103@yahoo.co.uk:
>
> >> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>> kompressor <m...@des.benz> wrote in
> >>>news:wajEh.9987$gl2.4523@fe10.news.easynews.com:
>
> >>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>>>> kompressor <m...@des.benz> wrote in news:ZP9Eh.3718$_X1.3164
> >>>>> @fe05.news.easynews.com:
>
> >>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>>>>>> kompressor <m...@des.benz> wrote in news:%47Eh.5412$k82.1626
> >>>>>>> @fe07.news.easynews.com:
>
> >>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> "Larry (Scratch)" <Scra...@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in news:4t-
> >>>>>>>>> dnb7N5a2wOH3YnZ2dnUVZ_s7in...@comcast.com:
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Al Smith wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 24, 12:27 pm, use...@mile23.c0m (Paul Mitchum) wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Al Smith <caddyshack...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>http://www.break.com/index/pro_abortionist_attacks_pro_life_woman.h
> >>>>>>> tml
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Nice...
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think you're anything but foolish for saying that
> >>>>>>> 'leftists'
> >>>>>>>>>>>> are represented by a single person whose stated gripe had
> >>>>>>>>>>>> nothing
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>> do
> >>>>>>>>>>>> with the political message, but the images of dead fetuses on
> >>>>>>>>>>>> signboards?
> >>>>>>>>>>> Because it happens all the time. It's not an isolated
> >>>>>>>>>>> incident.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv9xa-VxchM
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Tell you what. You park your car with a "Kerry Edwards"
> >>>>>>>>>>> sticker in
> >>>>> my
> >>>>>>>>>>> neighborhood, I'll park my car with a "Bush Cheney" in your
> >>>>>>>>>>> neighborhood. I'll pay for your repairs and you pay for mine.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> yep! Leftists believe in free speech just as long as IT IS
> >>>>>>>>>> THEIR FREE SPEECH.
>
> >>>>>>>>> Shooting abortion doctors in the back and
> >>>>>>>> Compares in what numbers to owning the mass media and controlling
> >>>>>>>> the universities?
> >>>>>>> Who controls what universities?
>
> >>>>>> Uh.....the LEFT!
>
> >>>>> That explains "leftist" college professors like
> >>>>> Newt Gingrich and Dick Armey and Phil Gramm and Henry
> >>>>> Kissinger and Ken Starr.
>
> >>>>> Yeah, right.....................
> >>>> And they constitute the MAJORITY????
>
> >>>> Liberal bias in colleges bleeds into classroom
> >>>> by Cal Thomas
> >>>> Townhall.com
> >>>> March 31, 2005
> >>>>http://www.townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/ct20050330.shtml
>
> >>>> You'd better sit down and firmly grip your bowl of Corn Flakes while
> >>>> reading this shocking news: College faculties are not only mostly
> >>>> liberal, but lean even further to the left than conservatives have
> >>>> imagined.
>
> >>>> According to a study by professors at Smith College, George Mason
> >>>> University and the University of Toronto (they surveyed 1,643
> >>>> full-time faculty at 183 four-year schools), 72 percent of professors
> >>>> at American universities labeled themselves liberal, while just 15
> >>>> percent said they are conservative. 50 percent of faculty members
> >>>> identified themselves as Democrats and only 11 percent Republicans.
> >>> So what you are trying to say is that educated
> >>> people tend to be liberal and stupid people tend to
> >>> be conservative.
>
> >>> Tell us something we don't already know.........;)
>
> >> It's not very smart of you to conclude the academia represents the
> >> location of the smartest people.
>
> > It represents those smarter than "C-average"
>
> LikeWardChurchillthe fake Indian?

Ward Churchill is a Republican.

Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
"Iarnrod"


Feb 25, 2007, 4:58 PM


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On Feb 25, 9:53 am, kompressor <m...@des.benz> wrote:
> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> > kompressor <m...@des.benz> wrote in news:ZP9Eh.3718$_X1.3164
> > @fe05.news.easynews.com:
>
> >> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>> kompressor <m...@des.benz> wrote in news:%47Eh.5412$k82.1626
> >>> @fe07.news.easynews.com:
>
> >>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>>>> "Larry (Scratch)" <Scra...@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in news:4t-
> >>>>> dnb7N5a2wOH3YnZ2dnUVZ_s7in...@comcast.com:
>
> >>>>>> Al Smith wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Feb 24, 12:27 pm, use...@mile23.c0m (Paul Mitchum) wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Al Smith <caddyshack...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >>>http://www.break.com/index/pro_abortionist_attacks_pro_life_woman.html
> >>>>>>>>> Nice...
> >>>>>>>> Why do you think you're anything but foolish for saying that
> >>> 'leftists'
> >>>>>>>> are represented by a single person whose stated gripe had nothing
> > to
> >>> do
> >>>>>>>> with the political message, but the images of dead fetuses on
> >>>>>>>> signboards?
> >>>>>>> Because it happens all the time. It's not an isolated incident.
>
> >>>>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DFv9xa-VxchM
>
> >>>>>>> Tell you what. You park your car with a "Kerry Edwards" sticker in
> > my
> >>>>>>> neighborhood, I'll park my car with a "Bush Cheney" in your
> >>>>>>> neighborhood. I'll pay for your repairs and you pay for mine.
>
> >>>>>> yep! Leftists believe in free speech just as long as IT IS THEIR F=
REE
> >>>>>> SPEECH.
>
> >>>>> Shooting abortion doctors in the back and
> >>>> Compares in what numbers to owning the mass media and controlling the
> >>>> universities?
>
> >>> Who controls what universities?
>
> >> Uh.....the LEFT!
>
> > That explains "leftist" college professors like
> > Newt Gingrich and Dick Armey and Phil Gramm and Henry
> > Kissinger and Ken Starr.
>
> > Yeah, right.....................
>
> And they constitute the MAJORITY????
>
> Liberal bias in colleges bleeds into classroom
> by Cal Thomas
> Townhall.com
> March 31, 2005http://www.townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/ct20050330.sht=
ml
>
> You'd better sit down and firmly grip your bowl of Corn Flakes while
> reading this shocking news: College faculties are not only mostly
> liberal, but lean even further to the left than conservatives have imagin=
ed.
>
> According to a study by professors at Smith College, George Mason
> University and the University of Toronto (they surveyed 1,643 full-time
> faculty at 183 four-year schools), 72 percent of professors at American
> universities labeled themselves liberal, while just 15 percent said they
> are conservative. 50 percent of faculty members identified themselves as
> Democrats and only 11 percent Republicans.
>
> Political Science professors Robert Lichter of George Mason University,
> Neil Nevitte of the University of Toronto and Stanley Rothman of Smith
> College also found that 51 percent of those surveyed said they rarely or
> never attend church or synagogue. University, Neil Nevitte of the
> University of Toronto and Stanley Rothman of Smith College also found
> that 51 percent of those surveyed said they rarely or never attend
> church or synagogue.
>
> These liberal leanings translate into liberal political beliefs. 84
> percent of those surveyed are strongly or somewhat in favor of abortion
> rights, 67 percent think homosexuality is acceptable, 88 percent want
> more environmental protection "even if it raises prices or costs jobs"
> and 65 percent want the government to ensure full employment, which puts
> the professors to the left of the Democratic Party.
>
> The study, appearing in the March issue of the online political journal
> the Forum, was funded by the Randolph Foundation, which donates to
> mostly conservative organizations.
>
> Jonathan Knight, director of academic freedom and tenure for the
> American Association of University Professors, was asked about the
> study. He told The Washington Post, "The question is how this translates
> into what happens within the academic community on such issues as
> curriculum, admission of students, evaluation of students, evaluation of
> faculty for salary and promotion."
>
> Knight added he is not aware of "any good evidence" linking the personal
> views of professors to what they teach. He must be living in an ivory
> tower without Internet access, or he believes surveys such as this one
> are "bad evidence" because they don't conform to his views.
>
> A quick Google search of "liberalism on college campuses" brings a
> wealth of good evidence that what is being taught on many of them is
> anti-American, anti-religious, anti-Israel, pro-gay rights and
> pro-abortion, often to the exclusion and ridicule of opposing views.
>
> In December, Columbia University appointed a committee to look into
> charges of bias and intimidation by faculty, particularly in Middle East
> studies. Columbia isn't the only university with bias problems when it
> comes to the Middle East. Checkoutwww.campus-watch.orgfor many more
> examples.
>
> WardChurchill, a tenured professor at the University of Colorado, is in
> the news for his grotesque characterization of the 9/11 victims as
> "little Eichmanns" who were not casualties of terrorism, but legitimate
> "military targets." His views are part of his teaching.
>
> From "gay rights" courses, even majors, at an increasing number of
> colleges, to the usual anti-military and anti-free enterprise bilge that
> has been documented in numerous books and articles, only those who are
> in complete denial would claim there is no link between the mostly
> liberal views of professors and how they shape their subject matter in
> the classroom, at numerous forums and in campus advocacy groups that
> constitute modern academic life.
>
> Thomas Reeves of the Wisconsin Policy Research Institute has said
> "conservatives are discriminated against routinely and deliberately" in
> faculty hiring, making some highly qualified teachers virtually
> unemployable because of their political and social views. This
> guarantees a perpetuation of a one-dimensional approach to most subjects.
>
> In matters of race and gender, colleges practice affirmative action to
> employ more minority and female professors and attract more students
> with these characteristics. Why won't they do the same for conservative
> professors and students in the name of diversity, pluralism and academic
> freedom?
>
> http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005...
>
> YET ANOTHER study has come out documenting what most conservatives
> consider to be blindingly obvious: the leftward tilt of the American
> professoriate. The latest report, by political scientist Stanley Rothman
> of Smith College, communications professor S. Robert Lichter of George
> Mason University, and Canadian polling expert Neil Nevitte, published in
> the online journal Forum, paints a stark picture of a politically skewed
> academy. Nearly three quarters of the professors in a 1999 survey of
> college faculty identified themselves as left/liberal, only 15 percent
> as right/conservative; 50 percent were Democrats and 11 percent Republica=
ns.
>
> A typical reaction to such studies from the left has been to shoot the
> messenger without denying the basic facts of the message. Thus, on his
> website, Michael B=E9rub=E9, a professor of literature and cultural studi=
es
> at Penn State who has often locked horns with conservative critics of
> the academy, challenges the study's sample size and points out that it
> was financed by a conservative foundation. Then he cites a 2001 survey
> by the UCLA Higher Education Research Institute which yielded fairly
> similar results: 5.3 percent of faculty members were classified as ''far
> left," 42.3 percent as ''liberal," 34.3 percent as ''middle of the
> road," 17.7 percent as ''conservative," and 0.3 percent as ''far right."
> ''Yep," concedes B=E9rub=E9, ''we're a pretty liberal bunch."

Ward Churchill is not a liberal; he hates liberals. He is a
Republican, although he doesn;t too much care for them either.

Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Paul Mitchum


Feb 25, 2007, 5:12 PM


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Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> > kompressor <merc@des.benz> wrote in
> > news:wajEh.9987$gl2.4523@fe10.news.easynews.com:
[.]
> > > Liberal bias in colleges bleeds into classroom
> > > by Cal Thomas
> > > Townhall.com
> > > March 31, 2005
> > > http://www.townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/ct20050330.shtml
> > >
> > > You'd better sit down and firmly grip your bowl of Corn Flakes while
> > > reading this shocking news: College faculties are not only mostly
> > > liberal, but lean even further to the left than conservatives have
> > > imagined.
> > >
> > > According to a study by professors at Smith College, George Mason
> > > University and the University of Toronto (they surveyed 1,643
> > > full-time faculty at 183 four-year schools), 72 percent of professors
> > > at American universities labeled themselves liberal, while just 15
> > > percent said they are conservative. 50 percent of faculty members
> > > identified themselves as Democrats and only 11 percent Republicans.
> >
> > So what you are trying to say is that educated people tend to be
> > liberal and stupid people tend to be conservative.
> >
> > Tell us something we don't already know.........;)
>
> It's not very smart of you to conclude the academia represents the
> location of the smartest people.

Why not?

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Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Paul Mitchum


Feb 25, 2007, 5:12 PM


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Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> The foetus is the person being murdered in the analogy.

But not in reality.

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friends... that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we
will stop telling the truth about them. -- Adlai E. Stevenson
Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Bill Bonde


Feb 25, 2007, 6:31 PM


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Paul Mitchum wrote:
>
> Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Mitchell Holman wrote:
> > > kompressor <merc@des.benz> wrote in
> > > news:wajEh.9987$gl2.4523@fe10.news.easynews.com:
> [.]
> > > > Liberal bias in colleges bleeds into classroom
> > > > by Cal Thomas
> > > > Townhall.com
> > > > March 31, 2005
> > > > http://www.townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/ct20050330.shtml
> > > >
> > > > You'd better sit down and firmly grip your bowl of Corn Flakes while
> > > > reading this shocking news: College faculties are not only mostly
> > > > liberal, but lean even further to the left than conservatives have
> > > > imagined.
> > > >
> > > > According to a study by professors at Smith College, George Mason
> > > > University and the University of Toronto (they surveyed 1,643
> > > > full-time faculty at 183 four-year schools), 72 percent of professors
> > > > at American universities labeled themselves liberal, while just 15
> > > > percent said they are conservative. 50 percent of faculty members
> > > > identified themselves as Democrats and only 11 percent Republicans.
> > >
> > > So what you are trying to say is that educated people tend to be
> > > liberal and stupid people tend to be conservative.
> > >
> > > Tell us something we don't already know.........;)
> >
> > It's not very smart of you to conclude the academia represents the
> > location of the smartest people.
>
> Why not?
>
It lacks evidence. Do you think that the smartest folks go into
teaching?




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Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Bill Bonde


Feb 25, 2007, 6:32 PM


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Paul Mitchum wrote:
>
> Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > The foetus is the person being murdered in the analogy.
>
> But not in reality.
>
Because you don't define it as "murder".


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Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Bill Bonde


Feb 25, 2007, 6:33 PM


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Lobby Dosser wrote:
>
> Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:15:32 -0800, Bill Bonde
> > <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >
> >>> If you don't like abortion don't get one.
> >>>
> >>If you don't like murder, don't get murdered....
> >
> > Now that's quite a silly statement.
> >
> > You can control your choice of whether or not to get an abortion.
> >
> > You cannot control your "choice" of being murdered.
>
> You have some control.
>
Society has laws that protect the weakest people, or at least try to.
That's why they went after OJ. Just because a foetus can't make
decisions for itself isn't reason for it to have no rights.


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Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Don Homuth


Feb 25, 2007, 6:35 PM


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On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:21:25 -0800, Bill Bonde
<tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>
>
>Don Homuth wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:17:10 -0800, Bill Bonde
>> <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >Don Homuth wrote:
>> >>
>>
>> >> Fetuses don't make choices. That's an adult responsibility and right.
>> >>
>> >People being murdered don't make choices, that's what OJ Simpson does.
>>
>> Precisely what I had said, save for the specificity of the comment.
>>
>The foetus is the person being murdered in the analogy.

Only if you believe that any fetus is a Person as defined.

Any is not.

Murder is a legalistic term. Abortion is not Murder as defined.

> That makes my original comment spot on. And it asks why in the world should that be
>the law?

Why ought it not? Your original comment is Wrong in Fact and Wrong in
Law.

It may be Correct in Belief, but that's a whole different kettle of
fish, and idiosyncratic altogether.

Why not just take the appropriate tack, ie that it's simply None of
Your business to involve the State in?
Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Don Homuth


Feb 25, 2007, 6:35 PM


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On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:20:58 -0500, Harold Burton
<hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote:

>In article <3lt3u2hivce9k6836q5eedp9eht9jnm7tj@4ax.com>,
> Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:50:01 -0500, Harold Burton
>> <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <fvr3u216atv5fsh6l9f8dmuustqnk361tl@4ax.com>,
>> > Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:07:15 -0500, Harold Burton
>> >> <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article <4tc3u2tgl910jaa1m9apm7cstlo8da1abo@4ax.com>,
>> >> > Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> >> Fetuses don't make choices.
>> >> >
>> >> >Neither to babies.
>> >>
>> >> They aren't supposed to.
>> >
>> >Didn't say they were.
>>
>> Then why do you discuss the "choice" of a fetus?
>
>Why do you?

Save in response to your nonsense, I don't.
Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Don Homuth


Feb 25, 2007, 6:36 PM


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On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 21:31:25 GMT, Lobby Dosser
<lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:

>Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
>

>> Fetuses don't make choices. That's an adult responsibility and right.
>
>'First thing we do, we kill all the children. We are the adults'

I'd never support killing all the children.
Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Don Homuth


Feb 25, 2007, 6:41 PM


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On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:32:15 -0800, Bill Bonde
<tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>
>
>Paul Mitchum wrote:
>>
>> Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > The foetus is the person being murdered in the analogy.
>>
>> But not in reality.
>>
>Because you don't define it as "murder".

Neither does the law.

You do.

Which matters?
Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
"Al Smith"


Feb 25, 2007, 7:08 PM


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On Feb 25, 9:39 am, Mitchell Holman <NoemailPle...@comcast.com> wrote:
> kompressor <m...@des.benz> wrote innews:wajEh.9987$gl2.4523@fe10.news.easynews.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >> kompressor <m...@des.benz> wrote in news:ZP9Eh.3718$_X1.3164
> >> @fe05.news.easynews.com:
>
> >>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>>> kompressor <m...@des.benz> wrote in news:%47Eh.5412$k82.1626
> >>>> @fe07.news.easynews.com:
>
> >>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>>>>> "Larry (Scratch)" <Scra...@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in news:4t-
> >>>>>> dnb7N5a2wOH3YnZ2dnUVZ_s7in...@comcast.com:
>
> >>>>>>> Al Smith wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Feb 24, 12:27 pm, use...@mile23.c0m (Paul Mitchum) wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Al Smith <caddyshack...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >>>>http://www.break.com/index/pro_abortionist_attacks_pro_life_woman.html
> >>>>>>>>>> Nice...
> >>>>>>>>> Why do you think you're anything but foolish for saying that
> >>>> 'leftists'
> >>>>>>>>> are represented by a single person whose stated gripe had
> >>>>>>>>> nothing
> >> to
> >>>> do
> >>>>>>>>> with the political message, but the images of dead fetuses on
> >>>>>>>>> signboards?
> >>>>>>>> Because it happens all the time. It's not an isolated incident.
>
> >>>>>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv9xa-VxchM
>
> >>>>>>>> Tell you what. You park your car with a "Kerry Edwards" sticker
> >>>>>>>> in
> >> my
> >>>>>>>> neighborhood, I'll park my car with a "Bush Cheney" in your
> >>>>>>>> neighborhood. I'll pay for your repairs and you pay for mine.
>
> >>>>>>> yep! Leftists believe in free speech just as long as IT IS THEIR
> >>>>>>> FREE SPEECH.
>
> >>>>>> Shooting abortion doctors in the back and
> >>>>> Compares in what numbers to owning the mass media and controlling
> >>>>> the universities?
>
> >>>> Who controls what universities?
>
> >>> Uh.....the LEFT!
>
> >> That explains "leftist" college professors like
> >> Newt Gingrich and Dick Armey and Phil Gramm and Henry
> >> Kissinger and Ken Starr.
>
> >> Yeah, right.....................
>
> > And they constitute the MAJORITY????
>
> > Liberal bias in colleges bleeds into classroom
> > by Cal Thomas
> > Townhall.com
> > March 31, 2005
> >http://www.townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/ct20050330.shtml
>
> > You'd better sit down and firmly grip your bowl of Corn Flakes while
> > reading this shocking news: College faculties are not only mostly
> > liberal, but lean even further to the left than conservatives have
> > imagined.
>
> > According to a study by professors at Smith College, George Mason
> > University and the University of Toronto (they surveyed 1,643 full-time
> > faculty at 183 four-year schools), 72 percent of professors at American
> > universities labeled themselves liberal, while just 15 percent said they
> > are conservative. 50 percent of faculty members identified themselves as
> > Democrats and only 11 percent Republicans.
>
> So what you are trying to say is that educated
> people tend to be liberal and stupid people tend to
> be conservative.

Teachers, who have advance degrees, vote liberal.

High school graduates, those with "some college" and other college
graduates vote conservative.

The truely moronic, those who cannot graduate high school, vote
liberal.

> Tell us something we don't already know.........;)


Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Paul Mitchum


Feb 25, 2007, 7:58 PM


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Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Paul Mitchum wrote:
> >
> > Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > The foetus is the person being murdered in the analogy.
> >
> > But not in reality.
>
> Because you don't define it as "murder".

No, I don't. So?

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friends... that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we
will stop telling the truth about them. -- Adlai E. Stevenson
Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Paul Mitchum


Feb 25, 2007, 7:58 PM


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Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Paul Mitchum wrote:
> >
> > Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Mitchell Holman wrote:
> > > > kompressor <merc@des.benz> wrote in
> > > > news:wajEh.9987$gl2.4523@fe10.news.easynews.com:
> > [.]
> > > > > Liberal bias in colleges bleeds into classroom
> > > > > by Cal Thomas
> > > > > Townhall.com
> > > > > March 31, 2005
> > > > > http://www.townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/ct20050330.shtml
> > > > >
> > > > > You'd better sit down and firmly grip your bowl of Corn Flakes while
> > > > > reading this shocking news: College faculties are not only mostly
> > > > > liberal, but lean even further to the left than conservatives have
> > > > > imagined.
> > > > >
> > > > > According to a study by professors at Smith College, George Mason
> > > > > University and the University of Toronto (they surveyed 1,643
> > > > > full-time faculty at 183 four-year schools), 72 percent of professors
> > > > > at American universities labeled themselves liberal, while just 15
> > > > > percent said they are conservative. 50 percent of faculty members
> > > > > identified themselves as Democrats and only 11 percent Republicans.
> > > >
> > > > So what you are trying to say is that educated people tend to be
> > > > liberal and stupid people tend to be conservative.
> > > >
> > > > Tell us something we don't already know.........;)
> > >
> > > It's not very smart of you to conclude the academia represents the
> > > location of the smartest people.
> >
> > Why not?
>
> It lacks evidence. [.]

What lacks evidence?

--
I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my Republican
friends... that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we
will stop telling the truth about them. -- Adlai E. Stevenson
Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Harold Burton


Feb 25, 2007, 8:16 PM


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In article <ea74u295b1sbp315p60k7eiq9ooovnrr6d@4ax.com>,
Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:20:58 -0500, Harold Burton
> <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <3lt3u2hivce9k6836q5eedp9eht9jnm7tj@4ax.com>,
> > Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:50:01 -0500, Harold Burton
> >> <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <fvr3u216atv5fsh6l9f8dmuustqnk361tl@4ax.com>,
> >> > Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:07:15 -0500, Harold Burton
> >> >> <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >In article <4tc3u2tgl910jaa1m9apm7cstlo8da1abo@4ax.com>,
> >> >> > Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> >> Fetuses don't make choices.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Neither to babies.
> >> >>
> >> >> They aren't supposed to.
> >> >
> >> >Didn't say they were.
> >>
> >> Then why do you discuss the "choice" of a fetus?
> >
> >Why do you?
>
> Save in response to your nonsense, I don't.

So don't respond, or better yet, dispute what I said. You can't.
Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Harold Burton


Feb 25, 2007, 8:16 PM


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In article <45E1FDEC.84CB7520@yahoo.co.uk>,
Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Harold Burton wrote:
> >
> > In article <4tc3u2tgl910jaa1m9apm7cstlo8da1abo@4ax.com>,
> > Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:59:48 -0500, Harold Burton
> > > <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >In article <1oa3u21nmddvs4htgecmhigpg5slregtsr@4ax.com>,
> > > > Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:15:32 -0800, Bill Bonde
> > > >> <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Mitchell Holman wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >> If you don't like abortion don't get one.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >If you don't like murder, don't get murdered....
> > > >>
> > > >> Now that's quite a silly statement.
> > > >>
> > > >> You can control your choice of whether or not to get an abortion.
> > > >>
> > > >> You cannot control your "choice" of being murdered.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Especially if you're a fetus.
> > >
> > > Fetuses don't make choices.
> >
> > Neither to babies.
> >
> Yet they are protected by law.


Good, someone gets it.
Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Don Homuth


Feb 25, 2007, 8:18 PM


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On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 20:16:26 -0500, Harold Burton
<hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote:

>In article <ea74u295b1sbp315p60k7eiq9ooovnrr6d@4ax.com>,
> Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:20:58 -0500, Harold Burton
>> <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <3lt3u2hivce9k6836q5eedp9eht9jnm7tj@4ax.com>,
>> > Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:50:01 -0500, Harold Burton
>> >> <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article <fvr3u216atv5fsh6l9f8dmuustqnk361tl@4ax.com>,
>> >> > Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:07:15 -0500, Harold Burton
>> >> >> <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >In article <4tc3u2tgl910jaa1m9apm7cstlo8da1abo@4ax.com>,
>> >> >> > Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Fetuses don't make choices.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Neither to babies.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> They aren't supposed to.
>> >> >
>> >> >Didn't say they were.
>> >>
>> >> Then why do you discuss the "choice" of a fetus?
>> >
>> >Why do you?
>>
>> Save in response to your nonsense, I don't.
>
>So don't respond,

I respond as I choose -- not you. Curious as to how far you'll take
your own silliness.

>... or better yet, dispute what I said.

Not only don't you read what You write yourself, apparently you don't
read what others write either.

Strange, that.

> You can't.

Can and did, several times over. Can't offer you any consolation on
that one. Just go right ahead and console yourself.
Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Bill Bonde


Feb 25, 2007, 8:29 PM


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Paul Mitchum wrote:
>
> Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Paul Mitchum wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Mitchell Holman wrote:
> > > > > kompressor <merc@des.benz> wrote in
> > > > > news:wajEh.9987$gl2.4523@fe10.news.easynews.com:
> > > [.]
> > > > > > Liberal bias in colleges bleeds into classroom
> > > > > > by Cal Thomas
> > > > > > Townhall.com
> > > > > > March 31, 2005
> > > > > > http://www.townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/ct20050330.shtml
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You'd better sit down and firmly grip your bowl of Corn Flakes while
> > > > > > reading this shocking news: College faculties are not only mostly
> > > > > > liberal, but lean even further to the left than conservatives have
> > > > > > imagined.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > According to a study by professors at Smith College, George Mason
> > > > > > University and the University of Toronto (they surveyed 1,643
> > > > > > full-time faculty at 183 four-year schools), 72 percent of professors
> > > > > > at American universities labeled themselves liberal, while just 15
> > > > > > percent said they are conservative. 50 percent of faculty members
> > > > > > identified themselves as Democrats and only 11 percent Republicans.
> > > > >
> > > > > So what you are trying to say is that educated people tend to be
> > > > > liberal and stupid people tend to be conservative.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tell us something we don't already know.........;)
> > > >
> > > > It's not very smart of you to conclude the academia represents the
> > > > location of the smartest people.
> > >
> > > Why not?
> >
> > It lacks evidence. [.]
>
> What lacks evidence?
>
That all the smart people are in academia. For example, plenty of
scientists aren't teachers.



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Polar bears can't find their meals
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Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Bill Bonde


Feb 25, 2007, 8:31 PM


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Don Homuth wrote:
>
> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:32:15 -0800, Bill Bonde
> <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Paul Mitchum wrote:
> >>
> >> Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> > The foetus is the person being murdered in the analogy.
> >>
> >> But not in reality.
> >>
> >Because you don't define it as "murder".
>
> Neither does the law.
>
> You do.
>
> Which matters?
>
Of course I'm not claiming how I define is defines anything legally.
Obviously the law is how the law is defined. Did you really need to hear
that?



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Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Bill Bonde


Feb 25, 2007, 8:31 PM


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Paul Mitchum wrote:
>
> Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Paul Mitchum wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The foetus is the person being murdered in the analogy.
> > >
> > > But not in reality.
> >
> > Because you don't define it as "murder".
>
> No, I don't. So?
>
That's the difference, you don't define it as murder. It isn't that a
living thing isn't being killed either way.



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Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Bill Bonde


Feb 25, 2007, 8:33 PM


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Don Homuth wrote:
>
> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:21:25 -0800, Bill Bonde
> <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Don Homuth wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:17:10 -0800, Bill Bonde
> >> <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Don Homuth wrote:
> >> >>
> >>
> >> >> Fetuses don't make choices. That's an adult responsibility and right.
> >> >>
> >> >People being murdered don't make choices, that's what OJ Simpson does.
> >>
> >> Precisely what I had said, save for the specificity of the comment.
> >>
> >The foetus is the person being murdered in the analogy.
>
> Only if you believe that any fetus is a Person as defined.
>
I didn't make that claim. I do believe that location shouldn't define
personhood.



> Any is not.
>
> Murder is a legalistic term. Abortion is not Murder as defined.
>
I think I said that.


> > That makes my original comment spot on. And it asks why in the world should that be
> >the law?
>
> Why ought it not? Your original comment is Wrong in Fact and Wrong in
> Law.
>
No it isn't.


> It may be Correct in Belief, but that's a whole different kettle of
> fish, and idiosyncratic altogether.
>
> Why not just take the appropriate tack, ie that it's simply None of
> Your business to involve the State in?
>
Because like murdering someone, the weakest need the protection of
society.


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Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Don Homuth


Feb 25, 2007, 8:33 PM


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On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:31:37 -0800, Bill Bonde
<tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>
>
>Don Homuth wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:32:15 -0800, Bill Bonde
>> <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >Paul Mitchum wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > The foetus is the person being murdered in the analogy.
>> >>
>> >> But not in reality.
>> >>
>> >Because you don't define it as "murder".
>>
>> Neither does the law.
>>
>> You do.
>>
>> Which matters?
>>
>Of course I'm not claiming how I define is defines anything legally.

You are using the term Murder. That is a legalistic term, which Only
is defined by law. It's waythehellandgone overused by folks who use
it in any other fashion.

>Obviously the law is how the law is defined. Did you really need to hear
>that?

No -- but needed to ensure that You were clear on the concept.

Where do you want to take the discussion now? Make something up
again.
Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Don Homuth


Feb 25, 2007, 8:35 PM


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On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:33:44 -0800, Bill Bonde
<tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> I do believe that location shouldn't define
>personhood.

In that case, you are arguing religion.

You are free to Believe as you will.

You are Not free to force others to accede to your beliefs.
Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
kompressor


Feb 25, 2007, 8:47 PM


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Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
> news:45E1EC0A.164946F6@yahoo.co.uk:
>
>>
>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
>>> news:45E10D64.B28B554B@yahoo.co.uk:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>> news:45E0CEAF.7C78B0B4@yahoo.co.uk:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul Mitchum wrote:
>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman <NoemailPlease@comcast.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [.]
>>>>>>>>>>> Al Smith <caddyshack...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.break.com/index/pro_abortionist_attacks_pro_life
>>>>>>>>>>>> _wo man .html
>>>>>>> [.]
>>>>>>>> Shooting abortion doctors in the back and firebombing
>>>>>>>> clinics are
>>>>>>>> "isolated incidents" but one pro choicer who fights back is
>>>>>>>> proof of........?
>>>>>>> Why do you believe the person in that video is a 'pro choicer?'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> If dead foetuses are no big deal, why don't pro-choicers rant and
>>>>>> block traffic with signs with those pictures on them?
>>>>> If you don't like abortion don't get one.
>>>>>
>>>> If you don't like murder, don't get murdered.
>>> Abortion is to murder what miscarriages
>>> are to manslaughter.
>>>
>> Really?
>
>
> Maybe you should stick to the political debates,


...maybe you should go kill yourself.
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