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Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
kompressor


Feb 25, 2007, 8:48 PM


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Don Homuth wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:50:01 -0500, Harold Burton
> <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <fvr3u216atv5fsh6l9f8dmuustqnk361tl@4ax.com>,
>> Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:07:15 -0500, Harold Burton
>>> <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <4tc3u2tgl910jaa1m9apm7cstlo8da1abo@4ax.com>,
>>>> Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Fetuses don't make choices.
>>>> Neither to babies.
>>> They aren't supposed to.
>> Didn't say they were.
>
> Then why do you discuss the "choice" of a fetus?
>
> Makes no damned sense.

Because when they are deprived of a chance to LIVE it bears mention.
Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
kompressor


Feb 25, 2007, 8:50 PM


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Iarnrod wrote:
> On Feb 25, 1:38 pm, kompressor <m...@des.benz> wrote:
>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> Bill Bonde <tributyltinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
>>> news:45E1E3AD.C80CE103@yahoo.co.uk:
>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> kompressor <m...@des.benz> wrote in
>>>>> news:wajEh.9987$gl2.4523@fe10.news.easynews.com:
>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>> kompressor <m...@des.benz> wrote in news:ZP9Eh.3718$_X1.3164
>>>>>>> @fe05.news.easynews.com:
>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> kompressor <m...@des.benz> wrote in news:%47Eh.5412$k82.1626
>>>>>>>>> @fe07.news.easynews.com:
>>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Larry (Scratch)" <Scra...@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in news:4t-
>>>>>>>>>>> dnb7N5a2wOH3YnZ2dnUVZ_s7in...@comcast.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Al Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 24, 12:27 pm, use...@mile23.c0m (Paul Mitchum) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al Smith <caddyshack...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.break.com/index/pro_abortionist_attacks_pro_life_woman.h
>>>>>>>>> tml
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nice...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think you're anything but foolish for saying that
>>>>>>>>> 'leftists'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are represented by a single person whose stated gripe had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the political message, but the images of dead fetuses on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> signboards?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because it happens all the time. It's not an isolated
>>>>>>>>>>>>> incident.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv9xa-VxchM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tell you what. You park your car with a "Kerry Edwards"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sticker in
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> neighborhood, I'll park my car with a "Bush Cheney" in your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> neighborhood. I'll pay for your repairs and you pay for mine.
>>>>>>>>>>>> yep! Leftists believe in free speech just as long as IT IS
>>>>>>>>>>>> THEIR FREE SPEECH.
>>>>>>>>>>> Shooting abortion doctors in the back and
>>>>>>>>>> Compares in what numbers to owning the mass media and controlling
>>>>>>>>>> the universities?
>>>>>>>>> Who controls what universities?
>>>>>>>> Uh.....the LEFT!
>>>>>>> That explains "leftist" college professors like
>>>>>>> Newt Gingrich and Dick Armey and Phil Gramm and Henry
>>>>>>> Kissinger and Ken Starr.
>>>>>>> Yeah, right.....................
>>>>>> And they constitute the MAJORITY????
>>>>>> Liberal bias in colleges bleeds into classroom
>>>>>> by Cal Thomas
>>>>>> Townhall.com
>>>>>> March 31, 2005
>>>>>> http://www.townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/ct20050330.shtml
>>>>>> You'd better sit down and firmly grip your bowl of Corn Flakes while
>>>>>> reading this shocking news: College faculties are not only mostly
>>>>>> liberal, but lean even further to the left than conservatives have
>>>>>> imagined.
>>>>>> According to a study by professors at Smith College, George Mason
>>>>>> University and the University of Toronto (they surveyed 1,643
>>>>>> full-time faculty at 183 four-year schools), 72 percent of professors
>>>>>> at American universities labeled themselves liberal, while just 15
>>>>>> percent said they are conservative. 50 percent of faculty members
>>>>>> identified themselves as Democrats and only 11 percent Republicans.
>>>>> So what you are trying to say is that educated
>>>>> people tend to be liberal and stupid people tend to
>>>>> be conservative.
>>>>> Tell us something we don't already know.........;)
>>>> It's not very smart of you to conclude the academia represents the
>>>> location of the smartest people.
>>> It represents those smarter than "C-average"
>> LikeWardChurchillthe fake Indian?
>
> Ward Churchill is a Republican.
>

yawn...and a cop-hater, and a liar, and a crank, and a smoker, and a
rabble rouser, and...
Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
kompressor


Feb 25, 2007, 8:51 PM


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Iarnrod wrote:
> On Feb 25, 9:53 am, kompressor <m...@des.benz> wrote:
>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> kompressor <m...@des.benz> wrote in news:ZP9Eh.3718$_X1.3164
>>> @fe05.news.easynews.com:
>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> kompressor <m...@des.benz> wrote in news:%47Eh.5412$k82.1626
>>>>> @fe07.news.easynews.com:
>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>> "Larry (Scratch)" <Scra...@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in news:4t-
>>>>>>> dnb7N5a2wOH3YnZ2dnUVZ_s7in...@comcast.com:
>>>>>>>> Al Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 24, 12:27 pm, use...@mile23.c0m (Paul Mitchum) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Al Smith <caddyshack...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>>>> http://www.break.com/index/pro_abortionist_attacks_pro_life_woman.html
>>>>>>>>>>> Nice...
>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think you're anything but foolish for saying that
>>>>> 'leftists'
>>>>>>>>>> are represented by a single person whose stated gripe had nothing
>>> to
>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>> with the political message, but the images of dead fetuses on
>>>>>>>>>> signboards?
>>>>>>>>> Because it happens all the time. It's not an isolated incident.
>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv9xa-VxchM
>>>>>>>>> Tell you what. You park your car with a "Kerry Edwards" sticker in
>>> my
>>>>>>>>> neighborhood, I'll park my car with a "Bush Cheney" in your
>>>>>>>>> neighborhood. I'll pay for your repairs and you pay for mine.
>>>>>>>> yep! Leftists believe in free speech just as long as IT IS THEIR FREE
>>>>>>>> SPEECH.
>>>>>>> Shooting abortion doctors in the back and
>>>>>> Compares in what numbers to owning the mass media and controlling the
>>>>>> universities?
>>>>> Who controls what universities?
>>>> Uh.....the LEFT!
>>> That explains "leftist" college professors like
>>> Newt Gingrich and Dick Armey and Phil Gramm and Henry
>>> Kissinger and Ken Starr.
>>> Yeah, right.....................
>> And they constitute the MAJORITY????
>>
>> Liberal bias in colleges bleeds into classroom
>> by Cal Thomas
>> Townhall.com
>> March 31, 2005http://www.townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/ct20050330.shtml
>>
>> You'd better sit down and firmly grip your bowl of Corn Flakes while
>> reading this shocking news: College faculties are not only mostly
>> liberal, but lean even further to the left than conservatives have imagined.
>>
>> According to a study by professors at Smith College, George Mason
>> University and the University of Toronto (they surveyed 1,643 full-time
>> faculty at 183 four-year schools), 72 percent of professors at American
>> universities labeled themselves liberal, while just 15 percent said they
>> are conservative. 50 percent of faculty members identified themselves as
>> Democrats and only 11 percent Republicans.
>>
>> Political Science professors Robert Lichter of George Mason University,
>> Neil Nevitte of the University of Toronto and Stanley Rothman of Smith
>> College also found that 51 percent of those surveyed said they rarely or
>> never attend church or synagogue. University, Neil Nevitte of the
>> University of Toronto and Stanley Rothman of Smith College also found
>> that 51 percent of those surveyed said they rarely or never attend
>> church or synagogue.
>>
>> These liberal leanings translate into liberal political beliefs. 84
>> percent of those surveyed are strongly or somewhat in favor of abortion
>> rights, 67 percent think homosexuality is acceptable, 88 percent want
>> more environmental protection "even if it raises prices or costs jobs"
>> and 65 percent want the government to ensure full employment, which puts
>> the professors to the left of the Democratic Party.
>>
>> The study, appearing in the March issue of the online political journal
>> the Forum, was funded by the Randolph Foundation, which donates to
>> mostly conservative organizations.
>>
>> Jonathan Knight, director of academic freedom and tenure for the
>> American Association of University Professors, was asked about the
>> study. He told The Washington Post, "The question is how this translates
>> into what happens within the academic community on such issues as
>> curriculum, admission of students, evaluation of students, evaluation of
>> faculty for salary and promotion."
>>
>> Knight added he is not aware of "any good evidence" linking the personal
>> views of professors to what they teach. He must be living in an ivory
>> tower without Internet access, or he believes surveys such as this one
>> are "bad evidence" because they don't conform to his views.
>>
>> A quick Google search of "liberalism on college campuses" brings a
>> wealth of good evidence that what is being taught on many of them is
>> anti-American, anti-religious, anti-Israel, pro-gay rights and
>> pro-abortion, often to the exclusion and ridicule of opposing views.
>>
>> In December, Columbia University appointed a committee to look into
>> charges of bias and intimidation by faculty, particularly in Middle East
>> studies. Columbia isn't the only university with bias problems when it
>> comes to the Middle East. Checkoutwww.campus-watch.orgfor many more
>> examples.
>>
>> WardChurchill, a tenured professor at the University of Colorado, is in
>> the news for his grotesque characterization of the 9/11 victims as
>> "little Eichmanns" who were not casualties of terrorism, but legitimate
>> "military targets." His views are part of his teaching.
>>
>> From "gay rights" courses, even majors, at an increasing number of
>> colleges, to the usual anti-military and anti-free enterprise bilge that
>> has been documented in numerous books and articles, only those who are
>> in complete denial would claim there is no link between the mostly
>> liberal views of professors and how they shape their subject matter in
>> the classroom, at numerous forums and in campus advocacy groups that
>> constitute modern academic life.
>>
>> Thomas Reeves of the Wisconsin Policy Research Institute has said
>> "conservatives are discriminated against routinely and deliberately" in
>> faculty hiring, making some highly qualified teachers virtually
>> unemployable because of their political and social views. This
>> guarantees a perpetuation of a one-dimensional approach to most subjects.
>>
>> In matters of race and gender, colleges practice affirmative action to
>> employ more minority and female professors and attract more students
>> with these characteristics. Why won't they do the same for conservative
>> professors and students in the name of diversity, pluralism and academic
>> freedom?
>>
>> http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005...
>>
>> YET ANOTHER study has come out documenting what most conservatives
>> consider to be blindingly obvious: the leftward tilt of the American
>> professoriate. The latest report, by political scientist Stanley Rothman
>> of Smith College, communications professor S. Robert Lichter of George
>> Mason University, and Canadian polling expert Neil Nevitte, published in
>> the online journal Forum, paints a stark picture of a politically skewed
>> academy. Nearly three quarters of the professors in a 1999 survey of
>> college faculty identified themselves as left/liberal, only 15 percent
>> as right/conservative; 50 percent were Democrats and 11 percent Republicans.
>>
>> A typical reaction to such studies from the left has been to shoot the
>> messenger without denying the basic facts of the message. Thus, on his
>> website, Michael Bérubé, a professor of literature and cultural studies
>> at Penn State who has often locked horns with conservative critics of
>> the academy, challenges the study's sample size and points out that it
>> was financed by a conservative foundation. Then he cites a 2001 survey
>> by the UCLA Higher Education Research Institute which yielded fairly
>> similar results: 5.3 percent of faculty members were classified as ''far
>> left," 42.3 percent as ''liberal," 34.3 percent as ''middle of the
>> road," 17.7 percent as ''conservative," and 0.3 percent as ''far right."
>> ''Yep," concedes Bérubé, ''we're a pretty liberal bunch."
>
> Ward Churchill is not a liberal; he hates liberals. He is a
> Republican, although he doesn;t too much care for them either.
\

So basically he's a crank.

In essence he loathes himself, frauds generally do, and he loathes society.

Losers ALWAYS do.

nuff said.

Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
kompressor


Feb 25, 2007, 8:53 PM


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Paul Mitchum wrote:
> Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> kompressor <merc@des.benz> wrote in
>>> news:wajEh.9987$gl2.4523@fe10.news.easynews.com:
> [.]
>>>> Liberal bias in colleges bleeds into classroom
>>>> by Cal Thomas
>>>> Townhall.com
>>>> March 31, 2005
>>>> http://www.townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/ct20050330.shtml
>>>>
>>>> You'd better sit down and firmly grip your bowl of Corn Flakes while
>>>> reading this shocking news: College faculties are not only mostly
>>>> liberal, but lean even further to the left than conservatives have
>>>> imagined.
>>>>
>>>> According to a study by professors at Smith College, George Mason
>>>> University and the University of Toronto (they surveyed 1,643
>>>> full-time faculty at 183 four-year schools), 72 percent of professors
>>>> at American universities labeled themselves liberal, while just 15
>>>> percent said they are conservative. 50 percent of faculty members
>>>> identified themselves as Democrats and only 11 percent Republicans.
>>> So what you are trying to say is that educated people tend to be
>>> liberal and stupid people tend to be conservative.
>>>
>>> Tell us something we don't already know.........;)
>> It's not very smart of you to conclude the academia represents the
>> location of the smartest people.
>
> Why not?
>
Because its unprovable.
Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
kompressor


Feb 25, 2007, 8:57 PM


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Don Homuth wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:20:58 -0500, Harold Burton
> <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <3lt3u2hivce9k6836q5eedp9eht9jnm7tj@4ax.com>,
>> Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:50:01 -0500, Harold Burton
>>> <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <fvr3u216atv5fsh6l9f8dmuustqnk361tl@4ax.com>,
>>>> Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:07:15 -0500, Harold Burton
>>>>> <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <4tc3u2tgl910jaa1m9apm7cstlo8da1abo@4ax.com>,
>>>>>> Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fetuses don't make choices.
>>>>>> Neither to babies.
>>>>> They aren't supposed to.
>>>> Didn't say they were.
>>> Then why do you discuss the "choice" of a fetus?
>> Why do you?
>
> Save in response to your nonsense, I don't.


Just remember who you're talking to....the PETexecutioner...
Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
"Iarnrod"


Feb 25, 2007, 8:58 PM


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On Feb 25, 6:50 pm, kompressor <m...@des.benz> wrote:
> Iarnrodwrote:
> > On Feb 25, 1:38 pm, kompressor <m...@des.benz> wrote:
> >> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>> Bill Bonde <tributyltinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
> >>>news:45E1E3AD.C80CE103@yahoo.co.uk:
> >>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>>>> kompressor <m...@des.benz> wrote in
> >>>>>news:wajEh.9987$gl2.4523@fe10.news.easynews.com:
> >>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>>>>>> kompressor <m...@des.benz> wrote in news:ZP9Eh.3718$_X1.3164
> >>>>>>> @fe05.news.easynews.com:
> >>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> kompressor <m...@des.benz> wrote in news:%47Eh.5412$k82.1626
> >>>>>>>>> @fe07.news.easynews.com:
> >>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> "Larry (Scratch)" <Scra...@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in news:4t-
> >>>>>>>>>>> dnb7N5a2wOH3YnZ2dnUVZ_s7in...@comcast.com:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Al Smith wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 24, 12:27 pm, use...@mile23.c0m (Paul Mitchum) wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al Smith <caddyshack...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>http://www.break.com/index/pro_abortionist_attacks_pro_life_woman.h
> >>>>>>>>> tml
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nice...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think you're anything but foolish for saying that
> >>>>>>>>> 'leftists'
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are represented by a single person whose stated gripe had
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the political message, but the images of dead fetuses on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> signboards?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Because it happens all the time. It's not an isolated
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> incident.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv9xa-VxchM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tell you what. You park your car with a "Kerry Edwards"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> sticker in
> >>>>>>> my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> neighborhood, I'll park my car with a "Bush Cheney" in your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> neighborhood. I'll pay for your repairs and you pay for mine.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> yep! Leftists believe in free speech just as long as IT IS
> >>>>>>>>>>>> THEIR FREE SPEECH.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Shooting abortion doctors in the back and
> >>>>>>>>>> Compares in what numbers to owning the mass media and controlling
> >>>>>>>>>> the universities?
> >>>>>>>>> Who controls what universities?
> >>>>>>>> Uh.....the LEFT!
> >>>>>>> That explains "leftist" college professors like
> >>>>>>> Newt Gingrich and Dick Armey and Phil Gramm and Henry
> >>>>>>> Kissinger and Ken Starr.
> >>>>>>> Yeah, right.....................
> >>>>>> And they constitute the MAJORITY????
> >>>>>> Liberal bias in colleges bleeds into classroom
> >>>>>> by Cal Thomas
> >>>>>> Townhall.com
> >>>>>> March 31, 2005
> >>>>>>http://www.townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/ct20050330.shtml
> >>>>>> You'd better sit down and firmly grip your bowl of Corn Flakes while
> >>>>>> reading this shocking news: College faculties are not only mostly
> >>>>>> liberal, but lean even further to the left than conservatives have
> >>>>>> imagined.
> >>>>>> According to a study by professors at Smith College, George Mason
> >>>>>> University and the University of Toronto (they surveyed 1,643
> >>>>>> full-time faculty at 183 four-year schools), 72 percent of professors
> >>>>>> at American universities labeled themselves liberal, while just 15
> >>>>>> percent said they are conservative. 50 percent of faculty members
> >>>>>> identified themselves as Democrats and only 11 percent Republicans.
> >>>>> So what you are trying to say is that educated
> >>>>> people tend to be liberal and stupid people tend to
> >>>>> be conservative.
> >>>>> Tell us something we don't already know.........;)
> >>>> It's not very smart of you to conclude the academia represents the
> >>>> location of the smartest people.
> >>> It represents those smarter than "C-average"
> >> LikeWardChurchillthe fake Indian?
>
> > Ward Churchill is a Republican.
>
> yawn...and a cop-hater, and a liar, and a crank, and a smoker, and a
> rabble rouser, and...

well, and a Republican, as in... not a Democrat... as in, contary to
previous assertion.

Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Harold Burton


Feb 25, 2007, 8:58 PM


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In article <48d4u2pcfpc55mverjqlp5aap1ut3hpg7u@4ax.com>,
Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 20:16:26 -0500, Harold Burton
> <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <ea74u295b1sbp315p60k7eiq9ooovnrr6d@4ax.com>,
> > Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:20:58 -0500, Harold Burton
> >> <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <3lt3u2hivce9k6836q5eedp9eht9jnm7tj@4ax.com>,
> >> > Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:50:01 -0500, Harold Burton
> >> >> <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >In article <fvr3u216atv5fsh6l9f8dmuustqnk361tl@4ax.com>,
> >> >> > Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:07:15 -0500, Harold Burton
> >> >> >> <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >In article <4tc3u2tgl910jaa1m9apm7cstlo8da1abo@4ax.com>,
> >> >> >> > Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Fetuses don't make choices.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Neither to babies.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> They aren't supposed to.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Didn't say they were.
> >> >>
> >> >> Then why do you discuss the "choice" of a fetus?
> >> >
> >> >Why do you?
> >>
> >> Save in response to your nonsense, I don't.
> >
> >So don't respond,
>
> I respond as I choose -- not you. Curious as to how far you'll take
> your own silliness.


You haven't pointed out any silliness, except your own. Why does
"fetuses don't make choices" bother you so much?
Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Harold Burton


Feb 25, 2007, 8:59 PM


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In article <q%qEh.13397$A_1.4283@fe01.news.easynews.com>,
kompressor <merc@des.benz> wrote:

> Don Homuth wrote:
> > On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:50:01 -0500, Harold Burton
> > <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <fvr3u216atv5fsh6l9f8dmuustqnk361tl@4ax.com>,
> >> Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:07:15 -0500, Harold Burton
> >>> <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> In article <4tc3u2tgl910jaa1m9apm7cstlo8da1abo@4ax.com>,
> >>>> Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Fetuses don't make choices.
> >>>> Neither to babies.
> >>> They aren't supposed to.
> >> Didn't say they were.
> >
> > Then why do you discuss the "choice" of a fetus?
> >
> > Makes no damned sense.
>
> Because when they are deprived of a chance to LIVE it bears mention.


Someone else gets it. Don still doesn't, about what you'd expect of a
leftard.
Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
kompressor


Feb 25, 2007, 8:59 PM


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Don Homuth wrote:
>
> Where do you want to take the discussion now?

Your pet killing...
Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Mitchell Holman


Feb 25, 2007, 9:32 PM


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Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
news:45E21CC0.C384BC9C@yahoo.co.uk:

>
>
> Lobby Dosser wrote:
>>
>> Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> > On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:15:32 -0800, Bill Bonde
>> > <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> >
>> >>> If you don't like abortion don't get one.
>> >>>
>> >>If you don't like murder, don't get murdered....
>> >
>> > Now that's quite a silly statement.
>> >
>> > You can control your choice of whether or not to get an abortion.
>> >
>> > You cannot control your "choice" of being murdered.
>>
>> You have some control.
>>
> Society has laws that protect the weakest people, or at least try to.
> That's why they went after OJ. Just because a foetus can't make
> decisions for itself isn't reason for it to have no rights.


Show us what rights a fetus has. Starting with the
relevant statutes that protect said "rights".




Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Harold Burton


Feb 25, 2007, 9:45 PM


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In article <Xns98E2D101EF9FEta2eene2@216.196.97.131>,
Mitchell Holman <NoemailPlease@comcast.com> wrote:

> Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
> news:45E21CC0.C384BC9C@yahoo.co.uk:
>
> >
> >
> > Lobby Dosser wrote:
> >>
> >> Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:15:32 -0800, Bill Bonde
> >> > <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>> If you don't like abortion don't get one.
> >> >>>
> >> >>If you don't like murder, don't get murdered....
> >> >
> >> > Now that's quite a silly statement.
> >> >
> >> > You can control your choice of whether or not to get an abortion.
> >> >
> >> > You cannot control your "choice" of being murdered.
> >>
> >> You have some control.
> >>
> > Society has laws that protect the weakest people, or at least try to.
> > That's why they went after OJ. Just because a foetus can't make
> > decisions for itself isn't reason for it to have no rights.


> Show us what rights a fetus has.


You miss the point. Here's a hint - Show us what rights a black had in
the 20s, 30s, and 40s. Gawd, you leftards are stupid.
Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Lobby Dosser


Feb 25, 2007, 10:35 PM


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Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:31:37 -0800, Bill Bonde
> <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Don Homuth wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:32:15 -0800, Bill Bonde
>>> <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Paul Mitchum wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > The foetus is the person being murdered in the analogy.
>>> >>
>>> >> But not in reality.
>>> >>
>>> >Because you don't define it as "murder".
>>>
>>> Neither does the law.
>>>
>>> You do.
>>>
>>> Which matters?
>>>
>>Of course I'm not claiming how I define is defines anything legally.
>
> You are using the term Murder. That is a legalistic term, which Only
> is defined by law. It's waythehellandgone overused by folks who use
> it in any other fashion.
>
>>Obviously the law is how the law is defined. Did you really need to
>>hear that?
>
> No -- but needed to ensure that You were clear on the concept.
>
> Where do you want to take the discussion now? Make something up
> again.

You are Much Better at that!
Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Lobby Dosser


Feb 25, 2007, 10:39 PM


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Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 21:31:25 GMT, Lobby Dosser
> <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
>>
>
>>> Fetuses don't make choices. That's an adult responsibility and
>>> right.
>>
>>'First thing we do, we kill all the children. We are the adults'
>
> I'd never support killing all the children.
>

You just claimed that adults get to do the choosing.
Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Harold Burton


Feb 25, 2007, 11:04 PM


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In article <HDsEh.1584$aO6.128@trndny06>,
Lobby Dosser <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:

> Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 21:31:25 GMT, Lobby Dosser
> > <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >>Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >
> >>> Fetuses don't make choices. That's an adult responsibility and
> >>> right.
> >>
> >>'First thing we do, we kill all the children. We are the adults'
> >
> > I'd never support killing all the children.
> >
>
> You just claimed that adults get to do the choosing.


Yep, but choosing isn't absolute, a fact Don left out.
Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Paul Mitchum


Feb 26, 2007, 12:01 AM


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Harold Burton <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote:

> In article <Xns98E2D101EF9FEta2eene2@216.196.97.131>, Mitchell Holman
> <NoemailPlease@comcast.com> wrote:
> > Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
> > news:45E21CC0.C384BC9C@yahoo.co.uk:
[.]
> > > Society has laws that protect the weakest people, or at least try to.
> > > That's why they went after OJ. Just because a foetus can't make
> > > decisions for itself isn't reason for it to have no rights.
> >
> > Show us what rights a fetus has.
>
> You miss the point. Here's a hint - Show us what rights a black had in
> the 20s, 30s, and 40s.

If you're trying to argue that the anti-abortion movement is a civil
rights movement, then go ahead.

--
I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my Republican
friends... that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we
will stop telling the truth about them. -- Adlai E. Stevenson
Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Paul Mitchum


Feb 26, 2007, 12:01 AM


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Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Paul Mitchum wrote:
> >
> > Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Paul Mitchum wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The foetus is the person being murdered in the analogy.
> > > >
> > > > But not in reality.
> > >
> > > Because you don't define it as "murder".
> >
> > No, I don't. So?
>
> That's the difference, you don't define it as murder. It isn't that a
> living thing isn't being killed either way.

But it's still not murder, regardless.

--
I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my Republican
friends... that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we
will stop telling the truth about them. -- Adlai E. Stevenson
Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Paul Mitchum


Feb 26, 2007, 12:01 AM


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Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Paul Mitchum wrote:
> >
> > Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Paul Mitchum wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Mitchell Holman wrote:
> > > > > > kompressor <merc@des.benz> wrote in
> > > > > > news:wajEh.9987$gl2.4523@fe10.news.easynews.com:
> > > > [.]
> > > > > > > Liberal bias in colleges bleeds into classroom
> > > > > > > by Cal Thomas
> > > > > > > Townhall.com
> > > > > > > March 31, 2005
> > > > > > > http://www.townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/ct20050330.shtml
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You'd better sit down and firmly grip your bowl of Corn Flakes
> > > > > > > while reading this shocking news: College faculties are not
> > > > > > > only mostly liberal, but lean even further to the left than
> > > > > > > conservatives have imagined.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > According to a study by professors at Smith College, George
> > > > > > > Mason University and the University of Toronto (they surveyed
> > > > > > > 1,643 full-time faculty at 183 four-year schools), 72 percent
> > > > > > > of professors at American universities labeled themselves
> > > > > > > liberal, while just 15 percent said they are conservative. 50
> > > > > > > percent of faculty members identified themselves as Democrats
> > > > > > > and only 11 percent Republicans.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So what you are trying to say is that educated people tend
> > > > > > to be liberal and stupid people tend to be conservative.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tell us something we don't already know.........;)
> > > > >
> > > > > It's not very smart of you to conclude the academia represents the
> > > > > location of the smartest people.
> > > >
> > > > Why not?
> > >
> > > It lacks evidence. [.]
> >
> > What lacks evidence?
>
> That all the smart people are in academia. [.]

Well, there's your problem. You don't know what point you're arguing -
either for or against!

--
I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my Republican
friends... that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we
will stop telling the truth about them. -- Adlai E. Stevenson
Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
kompressor


Feb 26, 2007, 12:04 AM


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Iarnrod wrote:
> On Feb 25, 6:50 pm, kompressor <m...@des.benz> wrote:
>> Iarnrodwrote:
>>> On Feb 25, 1:38 pm, kompressor <m...@des.benz> wrote:
>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> Bill Bonde <tributyltinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>> news:45E1E3AD.C80CE103@yahoo.co.uk:
>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>> kompressor <m...@des.benz> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:wajEh.9987$gl2.4523@fe10.news.easynews.com:
>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> kompressor <m...@des.benz> wrote in news:ZP9Eh.3718$_X1.3164
>>>>>>>>> @fe05.news.easynews.com:
>>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> kompressor <m...@des.benz> wrote in news:%47Eh.5412$k82.1626
>>>>>>>>>>> @fe07.news.easynews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Larry (Scratch)" <Scra...@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in news:4t-
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dnb7N5a2wOH3YnZ2dnUVZ_s7in...@comcast.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 24, 12:27 pm, use...@mile23.c0m (Paul Mitchum) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al Smith <caddyshack...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.break.com/index/pro_abortionist_attacks_pro_life_woman.h
>>>>>>>>>>> tml
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nice...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think you're anything but foolish for saying that
>>>>>>>>>>> 'leftists'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are represented by a single person whose stated gripe had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the political message, but the images of dead fetuses on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> signboards?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because it happens all the time. It's not an isolated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incident.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv9xa-VxchM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tell you what. You park your car with a "Kerry Edwards"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sticker in
>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neighborhood, I'll park my car with a "Bush Cheney" in your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neighborhood. I'll pay for your repairs and you pay for mine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yep! Leftists believe in free speech just as long as IT IS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THEIR FREE SPEECH.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shooting abortion doctors in the back and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Compares in what numbers to owning the mass media and controlling
>>>>>>>>>>>> the universities?
>>>>>>>>>>> Who controls what universities?
>>>>>>>>>> Uh.....the LEFT!
>>>>>>>>> That explains "leftist" college professors like
>>>>>>>>> Newt Gingrich and Dick Armey and Phil Gramm and Henry
>>>>>>>>> Kissinger and Ken Starr.
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, right.....................
>>>>>>>> And they constitute the MAJORITY????
>>>>>>>> Liberal bias in colleges bleeds into classroom
>>>>>>>> by Cal Thomas
>>>>>>>> Townhall.com
>>>>>>>> March 31, 2005
>>>>>>>> http://www.townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/ct20050330.shtml
>>>>>>>> You'd better sit down and firmly grip your bowl of Corn Flakes while
>>>>>>>> reading this shocking news: College faculties are not only mostly
>>>>>>>> liberal, but lean even further to the left than conservatives have
>>>>>>>> imagined.
>>>>>>>> According to a study by professors at Smith College, George Mason
>>>>>>>> University and the University of Toronto (they surveyed 1,643
>>>>>>>> full-time faculty at 183 four-year schools), 72 percent of professors
>>>>>>>> at American universities labeled themselves liberal, while just 15
>>>>>>>> percent said they are conservative. 50 percent of faculty members
>>>>>>>> identified themselves as Democrats and only 11 percent Republicans.
>>>>>>> So what you are trying to say is that educated
>>>>>>> people tend to be liberal and stupid people tend to
>>>>>>> be conservative.
>>>>>>> Tell us something we don't already know.........;)
>>>>>> It's not very smart of you to conclude the academia represents the
>>>>>> location of the smartest people.
>>>>> It represents those smarter than "C-average"
>>>> LikeWardChurchillthe fake Indian?
>>> Ward Churchill is a Republican.
>> yawn...and a cop-hater, and a liar, and a crank, and a smoker, and a
>> rabble rouser, and...
>
> well, and a Republican, as in...

...as in also: a male, a Boulder resident, a poor husband, a flesh
eater, etc...


You're fucking SLOW on the uptake....
Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
kompressor


Feb 26, 2007, 12:05 AM


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Harold Burton wrote:
> In article <q%qEh.13397$A_1.4283@fe01.news.easynews.com>,
> kompressor <merc@des.benz> wrote:
>
>> Don Homuth wrote:
>>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:50:01 -0500, Harold Burton
>>> <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <fvr3u216atv5fsh6l9f8dmuustqnk361tl@4ax.com>,
>>>> Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:07:15 -0500, Harold Burton
>>>>> <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <4tc3u2tgl910jaa1m9apm7cstlo8da1abo@4ax.com>,
>>>>>> Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fetuses don't make choices.
>>>>>> Neither to babies.
>>>>> They aren't supposed to.
>>>> Didn't say they were.
>>> Then why do you discuss the "choice" of a fetus?
>>>
>>> Makes no damned sense.
>> Because when they are deprived of a chance to LIVE it bears mention.
>
>
> Someone else gets it. Don still doesn't, about what you'd expect of a
> leftard.


The pet executioner is rather callous where LIFE is concerned...
Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Harold Burton


Feb 26, 2007, 12:06 AM


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In article <1hu3zfc.1fbyi1wrhov99N%usenet@mile23.c0m>,
usenet@mile23.c0m (Paul Mitchum) wrote:

> Harold Burton <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <Xns98E2D101EF9FEta2eene2@216.196.97.131>, Mitchell Holman
> > <NoemailPlease@comcast.com> wrote:
> > > Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
> > > news:45E21CC0.C384BC9C@yahoo.co.uk:
> [.]
> > > > Society has laws that protect the weakest people, or at least try to.
> > > > That's why they went after OJ. Just because a foetus can't make
> > > > decisions for itself isn't reason for it to have no rights.
> > >
> > > Show us what rights a fetus has.
> >
> > You miss the point. Here's a hint - Show us what rights a black had in
> > the 20s, 30s, and 40s.
>
> If you're trying to argue that the anti-abortion movement is a civil
> rights movement, then go ahead.


You keep missing the point. I'm not surprised. Keep trying.
Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
kompressor


Feb 26, 2007, 12:07 AM


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Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
> news:45E21CC0.C384BC9C@yahoo.co.uk:
>
>>
>> Lobby Dosser wrote:
>>> Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:15:32 -0800, Bill Bonde
>>>> <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>> If you don't like abortion don't get one.
>>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't like murder, don't get murdered....
>>>> Now that's quite a silly statement.
>>>>
>>>> You can control your choice of whether or not to get an abortion.
>>>>
>>>> You cannot control your "choice" of being murdered.
>>> You have some control.
>>>
>> Society has laws that protect the weakest people, or at least try to.
>> That's why they went after OJ. Just because a foetus can't make
>> decisions for itself isn't reason for it to have no rights.
>
>
> Show us what rights a fetus has.

Indeed, or just rape and scrape and do it all over again....
Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Harold Burton


Feb 26, 2007, 12:07 AM


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In article <1hu3zjs.wwuz2817fx7iN%usenet@mile23.c0m>,
usenet@mile23.c0m (Paul Mitchum) wrote:


> Well, there's your problem. You don't know what point you're arguing -
> either for or against!



He's a leftard?
Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
kompressor


Feb 26, 2007, 12:15 AM


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Paul Mitchum wrote:
> Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Paul Mitchum wrote:
>>> Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Paul Mitchum wrote:
>>>>> Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The foetus is the person being murdered in the analogy.
>>>>> But not in reality.
>>>> Because you don't define it as "murder".
>>> No, I don't. So?
>> That's the difference, you don't define it as murder. It isn't that a
>> living thing isn't being killed either way.
>
> But it's still not murder, regardless.
>
Killed any pets recently?
Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Paul Mitchum


Feb 26, 2007, 12:15 AM


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Harold Burton <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote:

> In article <1hu3zfc.1fbyi1wrhov99N%usenet@mile23.c0m>,
> usenet@mile23.c0m (Paul Mitchum) wrote:
>
> > Harold Burton <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <Xns98E2D101EF9FEta2eene2@216.196.97.131>, Mitchell Holman
> > > <NoemailPlease@comcast.com> wrote:
> > > > Bill Bonde <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
> > > > news:45E21CC0.C384BC9C@yahoo.co.uk:
> > [.]
> > > > > Society has laws that protect the weakest people, or at least try to.
> > > > > That's why they went after OJ. Just because a foetus can't make
> > > > > decisions for itself isn't reason for it to have no rights.
> > > >
> > > > Show us what rights a fetus has.
> > >
> > > You miss the point. Here's a hint - Show us what rights a black had in
> > > the 20s, 30s, and 40s.
> >
> > If you're trying to argue that the anti-abortion movement is a civil
> > rights movement, then go ahead.
>
> You keep missing the point. I'm not surprised. Keep trying.

How, exactly, did I miss the point?

--
I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my Republican
friends... that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we
will stop telling the truth about them. -- Adlai E. Stevenson
Re: Leftists love free speech, again...
Paul Mitchum


Feb 26, 2007, 12:15 AM


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Harold Burton <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote:

> In article <1hu3zjs.wwuz2817fx7iN%usenet@mile23.c0m>, usenet@mile23.c0m
> (Paul Mitchum) wrote:
>
> > Well, there's your problem. You don't know what point you're arguing -
> > either for or against!
>
> He's a leftard?

What's a 'leftard,' Harold?

--
I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my Republican
friends... that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we
will stop telling the truth about them. -- Adlai E. Stevenson
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