"edonline" <edonlineSPAMOUT!@comcast.net> wrote in
news:nuGdnW-vra6ro5TbnZ2dnUVZ_sGqnZ2d@giganews.com:

> Born into an aristocratic Bavarian family, Claus Schenk Graf von
> Stauffenberg was the Wehrmacht colonel behind the July 20 plot to kill
> the F�hrer in 1944. The German officer placed a bomb in a suitcase
> under a table at a meeting Hitler was attending. The bomb detonated
> but was not strong enough to kill the German leader, although four
> members of his inner circle died in the blast. Von Stauffenberg was
> subsequently caught and executed.

Besides, von Stauffenberg was tall, blonde, trim and fit, where Cooze is
short, dark, dour and rat faced. He'd be a better choice for der Fuhrer.

Stauffenberg wasn't blond, but he was about six feet five inches tall.
Cruise would do better as fellow conspirator Generalmajor Helmut Stieff, who
was about five feet tall.

http://www.know-library.net/images/thumb/d/d1/180px-Claus-von-stauffenberg.jpg

(and Wikipedia actually has a decent bio)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_Schenk_von_Stauffenberg


"Agent Smith" <agent-smith@two-blocks-on-your-left.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9900B704416Eagentsmithtwoblockso@207.115.17.102...
> "edonline" <edonlineSPAMOUT!@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:nuGdnW-vra6ro5TbnZ2dnUVZ_sGqnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>> Born into an aristocratic Bavarian family, Claus Schenk Graf von
>> Stauffenberg was the Wehrmacht colonel behind the July 20 plot to kill
>> the F�hrer in 1944. The German officer placed a bomb in a suitcase
>> under a table at a meeting Hitler was attending. The bomb detonated
>> but was not strong enough to kill the German leader, although four
>> members of his inner circle died in the blast. Von Stauffenberg was
>> subsequently caught and executed.
>
> Besides, von Stauffenberg was tall, blonde, trim and fit, where Cooze is
> short, dark, dour and rat faced. He'd be a better choice for der Fuhrer.

"Nurktwn" <nurktwn@cfl.rr.com> wrote in
news:4609b29b$0$18917$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:

> Stauffenberg wasn't blond, but he was about six feet five inches tall.
> Cruise would do better as fellow conspirator Generalmajor Helmut
> Stieff, who was about five feet tall.
>
> http://www.know-library.net/images/thumb/d/d1/180px-Claus-von-
stauffenb
> erg.jpg
>
> (and Wikipedia actually has a decent bio)
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_Schenk_von_Stauffenberg

I had no idea he was tall. I made it all up, based on the Nazi colonel
from "Raiders of the Lost Ark." You could transplant that guy into this
role, since he had so much more charisma than your typical movie
villain. 'Course he's probably a geezer by now, but still quite well
preserved for a Nazi.


> "Agent Smith" <agent-smith@two-blocks-on-your-left.com> wrote in
> message news:Xns9900B704416Eagentsmithtwoblockso@207.115.17.102...
>> "edonline" <edonlineSPAMOUT!@comcast.net> wrote in
>> news:nuGdnW-vra6ro5TbnZ2dnUVZ_sGqnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>
>>> Born into an aristocratic Bavarian family, Claus Schenk Graf von
>>> Stauffenberg was the Wehrmacht colonel behind the July 20 plot to
>>> kill the F�hrer in 1944. The German officer placed a bomb in a
>>> suitcase under a table at a meeting Hitler was attending. The bomb
>>> detonated but was not strong enough to kill the German leader,
>>> although four members of his inner circle died in the blast. Von
>>> Stauffenberg was subsequently caught and executed.
>>
>> Besides, von Stauffenberg was tall, blonde, trim and fit, where Cooze
>> is short, dark, dour and rat faced. He'd be a better choice for der
>> Fuhrer.
>
>
>

On Mar 28, 1:54 am, "edonline" <edonlineSPAMO...@comcast.net> wrote:

*snipz*
> Focus, a German news magazine, has reported that Cruise is currently
> considering the role of von Stauffenberg.

*snipz*

> Von Stauffenberg was subsequently caught and executed.

That bit there. That'll do! Can't we just have the bit where he gets
executed? Cut the rest. No-one should be exposed to Clambo Cruise's
lousy acting any longer than necessary. I'd pay just to see the
execution.

In article <1175070370.700717.253000@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
"Tiki Taz" <tikitaniwha@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mar 28, 1:54 am, "edonline" <edonlineSPAMO...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> *snipz*
> > Focus, a German news magazine, has reported that Cruise is currently
> > considering the role of von Stauffenberg.
>
> *snipz*
>
> > Von Stauffenberg was subsequently caught and executed.
>
> That bit there. That'll do! Can't we just have the bit where he gets
> executed? Cut the rest. No-one should be exposed to Clambo Cruise's
> lousy acting any longer than necessary. I'd pay just to see the
> execution.

Von Stauffenberg was executed by General Erich Fromm who was part of
the plot, but try to save his own skin, by having Von Stauffenberg
executed the night of the attempted assassination.

What was truly shocking, in a regime that is still renown for shocking
crimes in the annals of human civilization, were the show trials and
execution of the fellow conspirators, including a Field Marshall, a
General that took part in Operation Barbarossa and many others by
hanging on Meat hooks with piano wire.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNi5256dhvM

This is the same judge who "tried" Sophie Scholl and member of the White
Rose resistance group.

Tom Cruise would do a horrible job if he planned to do this project.
There is also a big Scientology influence, because Scientologist have
constantly accuse the present German Gov't of persecuting them.
Comparing the German Gov't refusal to give Scientology the status as a
religion as some sort lingering remnants of Nazi ways of persecution.

Given how Scientology is laughable about its historical knowledge of
German History, "Braveheart" would probably be a more historical
accurate movie.

 
"comadreja" <comadreja-t@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:comadreja-t-E55A8C.05440028032007@news.giganews.com...
> In article <1175070370.700717.253000@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
> "Tiki Taz" <tikitaniwha@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mar 28, 1:54 am, "edonline" <edonlineSPAMO...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> *snipz*
>> > Focus, a German news magazine, has reported that Cruise is currently
>> > considering the role of von Stauffenberg.
>>
>> *snipz*
> Tom Cruise would do a horrible job if he planned to do this project.
> There is also a big Scientology influence, because Scientologist have
> constantly accuse the present German Gov't of persecuting them.
> Comparing the German Gov't refusal to give Scientology the status as a
> religion as some sort lingering remnants of Nazi ways of persecution.
>
> Given how Scientology is laughable about its historical knowledge of
> German History, "Braveheart" would probably be a more historical
> accurate movie.

How very true. The only connection between Cruise and the Bendlerstrasse
should be as a tourist, and probably not even that.

comadreja <comadreja-t@comcast.net> wrote in
news:comadreja-t-E55A8C.05440028032007@news.giganews.com:

> In article <1175070370.700717.253000@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
> "Tiki Taz" <tikitaniwha@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mar 28, 1:54 am, "edonline" <edonlineSPAMO...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> *snipz*
>> > Focus, a German news magazine, has reported that Cruise is
>> > currently considering the role of von Stauffenberg.
>>
>> *snipz*
>>
>> > Von Stauffenberg was subsequently caught and executed.
>>
>> That bit there. That'll do! Can't we just have the bit where he gets
>> executed? Cut the rest. No-one should be exposed to Clambo Cruise's
>> lousy acting any longer than necessary. I'd pay just to see the
>> execution.
>
> Von Stauffenberg was executed by General Erich Fromm

Are you sure that's the right name? Erich Fromm was a psychiatrist who
wrote a pathetic sex book called "The Art of Loving."

http://tinyurl.com/2emkaw

Cooze has appointed himself the next Charlton Heston, and has to die a
noble death at the end of all of his movies. At the end of "The Omega
Man," when Heston died hanging from a statue like a crucifix, he was
trying to make himself into a Christ figure. As has already been
reported here, that's how the "Church" of SciFi-entology is trying to
package Cooze now.

Gawd but this is perverted and disgusting. The people from that dime
novel "religion" are the ones who should be hung from meat hooks by
piano wire.



> who was part of
> the plot, but try to save his own skin, by having Von Stauffenberg
> executed the night of the attempted assassination.
>
> What was truly shocking, in a regime that is still renown for
> shocking
> crimes in the annals of human civilization, were the show trials and
> execution of the fellow conspirators, including a Field Marshall, a
> General that took part in Operation Barbarossa and many others by
> hanging on Meat hooks with piano wire.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNi5256dhvM
>
> This is the same judge who "tried" Sophie Scholl and member of the
> White Rose resistance group.
>
> Tom Cruise would do a horrible job if he planned to do this
> project.
> There is also a big Scientology influence, because Scientologist have
> constantly accuse the present German Gov't of persecuting them.
> Comparing the German Gov't refusal to give Scientology the status as a
> religion as some sort lingering remnants of Nazi ways of persecution.
>
> Given how Scientology is laughable about its historical knowledge of
> German History, "Braveheart" would probably be a more historical
> accurate movie.
>

 Every time I've seen a Tom Cruise movie, I go in thinking, This is
gonna stink out loud. And you know what? He's good. He delivers the
goods, with salt and pepper and napkins. Interview With a Vampire and
Minority Report? Just try to pick a fight with them - he hit the
ground running and kept the pace. He's a good actor.

"marybones@verizon.net" <marybones@rcn.com> wrote in
news:1175095105.951194.115900@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:

> Every time I've seen a Tom Cruise movie, I go in thinking, This is
> gonna stink out loud. And you know what? He's good. He delivers the
> goods, with salt and pepper and napkins. Interview With a Vampire and
> Minority Report? Just try to pick a fight with them - he hit the
> ground running and kept the pace. He's a good actor.

I know, and that's why I won't go see them, because I'm afraid I might like
them. The economic statement of boycotting his work is far more important
than it is to find a movie that I like. Someday, down the road, ten years
from now, I can rent them all from my local, pubic library for free. The
damage of the boycott will have been done, and Cooze won't see a nickel.

The war between Cooze and movie fans isn't over by a damn sight, and we're
in for the long haul now, baby. It's the Siege of Stalingrad or Vicksburg.
It'll take a *lot* of bad karma to destroy this villain, but believe you
mee honey, there's an infinite and untapped reservoir of it out here.

That reservoir is as vast as the flow of ectoplasmic sludge under
Manhattan, from Ghostbusters II. This is a *big* problem, and the only way
to destroy evil of such magnitude is to bring The Statue of Liberty to life
and have it walk through the streets of America.

Fans hate the guy with a deep and eternal passion, and they don't care how
much they have to hurt themselves to ruin this Satan. Cooze has perpetrated
more evil in his life than anybody in Hollywood, since the days of the
black list, and a hundred lifetimes are insufficient for him to atone for
all the innocent lives he's wrecked.

He's beyond salvation, and must therefore be destroyed. He must be made an
example of, lest other fools with delusions of megalomania follow his path.
There's decency in the human heart, meaning that fans will suffer for their
cause. They don't care how much they have to hurt themselves to do it, but
they're gonna get this bastard, and hang him from a meat hook.

"'Tis a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done before."

In article <Xns9901718061F09agentsmithtwoblockso@207.115.17.102>,
Agent Smith <agent-smith@two-blocks-on-your-left.com> wrote:

> comadreja <comadreja-t@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:comadreja-t-E55A8C.05440028032007@news.giganews.com:
>
> > In article <1175070370.700717.253000@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
> > "Tiki Taz" <tikitaniwha@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mar 28, 1:54 am, "edonline" <edonlineSPAMO...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> *snipz*
> >> > Focus, a German news magazine, has reported that Cruise is
> >> > currently considering the role of von Stauffenberg.
> >>
> >> *snipz*
> >>
> >> > Von Stauffenberg was subsequently caught and executed.
> >>
> >> That bit there. That'll do! Can't we just have the bit where he gets
> >> executed? Cut the rest. No-one should be exposed to Clambo Cruise's
> >> lousy acting any longer than necessary. I'd pay just to see the
> >> execution.
> >
> > Von Stauffenberg was executed by General Erich Fromm
>
> Are you sure that's the right name? Erich Fromm was a psychiatrist who
> wrote a pathetic sex book called "The Art of Loving."
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2emkaw

Thanks for the correction, it was

General Friedich Fromm, von Stafffenberg was his chief of staff for the
Home Army or I believe the Reserve army before the Volkstrum was created
at the end of the Third Reich. Another plotter was General Friedrich
Olbricht, who was in charge of Army Communications and Fromm's immediate
superior.

The plot was much more widespread and much more complicated than the
actions of Stauffenberg. The main moral instigator and the brains
behind the plot was General Henning Von Tresckow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Fromm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Olbricht
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henning_von_Tresckow
(most of the time I don't trust Wikipedia, but these entries are pretty
good for general information)
>
> Cooze has appointed himself the next Charlton Heston, and has to die a
> noble death at the end of all of his movies. At the end of "The Omega
> Man," when Heston died hanging from a statue like a crucifix, he was
> trying to make himself into a Christ figure. As has already been
> reported here, that's how the "Church" of SciFi-entology is trying to
> package Cooze now.
>
> Gawd but this is perverted and disgusting. The people from that dime
> novel "religion" are the ones who should be hung from meat hooks by
> piano wire.

They should be charged under RICO as a criminal racket, I think they
suffered enough once they learn that L.Ron Hubbard is Xenu, or what ever
the evil space alien warlord name is....

>
>
>
> > who was part of
> > the plot, but try to save his own skin, by having Von Stauffenberg
> > executed the night of the attempted assassination.
> >
> > What was truly shocking, in a regime that is still renown for
> > shocking
> > crimes in the annals of human civilization, were the show trials and
> > execution of the fellow conspirators, including a Field Marshall, a
> > General that took part in Operation Barbarossa and many others by
> > hanging on Meat hooks with piano wire.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNi5256dhvM
> >
> > This is the same judge who "tried" Sophie Scholl and member of the
> > White Rose resistance group.
> >
> > Tom Cruise would do a horrible job if he planned to do this
> > project.
> > There is also a big Scientology influence, because Scientologist have
> > constantly accuse the present German Gov't of persecuting them.
> > Comparing the German Gov't refusal to give Scientology the status as a
> > religion as some sort lingering remnants of Nazi ways of persecution.
> >
> > Given how Scientology is laughable about its historical knowledge of
> > German History, "Braveheart" would probably be a more historical
> > accurate movie.
> >

comadreja <comadreja-t@comcast.net> wrote in
news:comadreja-t-DFC7F8.12514328032007@news.giganews.com:

> In article <Xns9901718061F09agentsmithtwoblockso@207.115.17.102>,
> Agent Smith <agent-smith@two-blocks-on-your-left.com> wrote:
>
>> comadreja <comadreja-t@comcast.net> wrote in
>> news:comadreja-t-E55A8C.05440028032007@news.giganews.com:
>>
>> > In article <1175070370.700717.253000@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>> > "Tiki Taz" <tikitaniwha@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mar 28, 1:54 am, "edonline" <edonlineSPAMO...@comcast.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> *snipz*
>> >> > Focus, a German news magazine, has reported that Cruise is
>> >> > currently considering the role of von Stauffenberg.
>> >>
>> >> *snipz*
>> >>
>> >> > Von Stauffenberg was subsequently caught and executed.
>> >>
>> >> That bit there. That'll do! Can't we just have the bit where he
>> >> gets executed? Cut the rest. No-one should be exposed to Clambo
>> >> Cruise's lousy acting any longer than necessary. I'd pay just to
>> >> see the execution.
>> >
>> > Von Stauffenberg was executed by General Erich Fromm
>>
>> Are you sure that's the right name? Erich Fromm was a psychiatrist
>> who wrote a pathetic sex book called "The Art of Loving."
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2emkaw
>
> Thanks for the correction, it was General Friedich Fromm,

This make me curious about the depth your exposure to Erich Fromm? I
found his stupid book on my German psychiatrist dad's bookshelf, but
only read five pages before I realized it was crrrrrap. I gave up after
he described how daddy could improve his "bonding" with an infant by
diddling mommy while the baby was breast feeding.

> von Stafffenberg was his chief of staff for the
> Home Army or I believe the Reserve army before the Volkstrum was
> created at the end of the Third Reich. Another plotter was General
> Friedrich Olbricht, who was in charge of Army Communications and
> Fromm's immediate superior.
>
> The plot was much more widespread and much more complicated than the
> actions of Stauffenberg. The main moral instigator and the brains
> behind the plot was General Henning Von Tresckow.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Fromm
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Olbricht
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henning_von_Tresckow
> (most of the time I don't trust Wikipedia, but these entries are
> pretty good for general information)

You certainly seem well informed on the subject, and this is obviously a
story crying to be told. When the movie comes out, I'll skip the film
read about it in a book.

>> Cooze has appointed himself the next Charlton Heston, and has to die
>> a noble death at the end of all of his movies. At the end of "The
>> Omega Man," when Heston died hanging from a statue like a crucifix,
>> he was trying to make himself into a Christ figure. As has already
>> been reported here, that's how the "Church" of SciFi-entology is
>> trying to package Cooze now.
>>
>> Gawd but this is perverted and disgusting. The people from that dime
>> novel "religion" are the ones who should be hung from meat hooks by
>> piano wire.
>
> They should be charged under RICO as a criminal racket,

Your idea of using RICO is *very* clever, and at the very least you
should send it to your congressman. However the tax exempt status of a
"church" confers a certain religious legitimacy onto them, and thanks to
Dumb George II, I think that the Feds may have their hands full with the
terror hunt.

Why doesn't the gummit start by having the IRS revoke it's tax exempt
status?

Last night I saw the very end of a documentary about how Zachary Taylor
persecuted the Mormons until they fled into unsettled territory. The
polygamy fight is still going on today. Where's that kind of aggressive
law enforcement when you need it? The only place that sort of
enthusiasm can come from it the very top.

I shudder that the SciFi-entologists might ever start a university as
important as BYU. We need a president with as much backbone as Zealous
Zack, to shut it down asap.

> I think they
> suffered enough once they learn that L.Ron Hubbard is Xenu, or what
> ever the evil space alien warlord name is....

Xenu it is, and although it makes perfect sense that Raving Ron should
have appointed himself Lord of the Galaxy, I wasn't aware it was
"church" dogma.

Was Xenu in fact a warlord? If so, shouldn't there be an entire
mythology of back stories about his various wars, enemies and the
characters of his world. There must be an entire history of galactic
civilization from before the Great Banishment, or whatever is their
fantasy name for imprisonment of spirits on Earth.

What are Xenu's people all doing now, and if they had a galactic empire,
why are his allies also all stuck on Earth? And since they've all
escaped from their volcanic prisons, why haven't they used their
superior knowledge to build spaceship engines, fly away from this rock
and resume the fight against their Oppressor?

Why was Earth chosen to be this prison planet? Doesn't it seem a little
to hospitable for a prison? If you're going to stuff your enemies'
spirits into volcanoes, why not imprison them on Venus, where they can't
escape to reproduce in the nice, climate we have, which is so
wonderfully conducive to life? If he's such an evil warlord, why not
imprison his enemies in an inescapable Hell for all eternity? Why not a
frozen Kuiper Body, or a close orbit around a black hole or neutron
star?

Earth the prison planet, huh? Maybe we should change our name to
"Botany Bay," and appoint Admiral Kirk to be President of the World.
"KHAAAAAAAAANNNNNN!"

If I were editor of a SciFi pulp, I'd reject this story as having waay
too many holes in it. From the perspective of a sci-fi writer, the plot
framework simply doesn't hold together. It's not just dime-novel
writing, it's third-rate dime-novel writing. ?:(

 
"Agent Smith" <agent-smith@two-blocks-on-your-left.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99019400EDD57agentsmithtwoblockso@207.115.33.102...
> comadreja <comadreja-t@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:comadreja-t-DFC7F8.12514328032007@news.giganews.com:
>> You certainly seem well informed on the subject, and this is obviously a
> story crying to be told. When the movie comes out, I'll skip the film
> read about it in a book.
>
It is a story *screaming* to be told, and that awful film with Brad Davis
doesn't count.

The military resistance to Hitler dated to 1933 and a plan actually was
hatched in 1938 by many of the same men and women who were executed in 1944,
notably Generaloberst Beck, Generalfeldmarschall von Witzleben and Admiral
Canaris. The capitulation of Britain in the Munich Agreement -- a popular
triumph for Hitler -- put an end to their plans.

Apparently, the men and women of Der deutsche Widerstand (the German
Resistance) found Nazi cult-culture particularly troublesome and it would be
nastily ironic to think that modern cult members would try to capitalize on
their struggle.

If the movie is made, it will be a must-miss. Unless Cruise portrays Roland
Freisler.

 What is this thread, Cruise delenda est? Yes, he has *ahem*
questionable principles, but give the guy credit - on screen, he's
good. Just like after Mel Gibson had his rant, a Jewish friend of
mine took me to see Apocolypto, saying, "Who cares what he said, I
hear the movie's good." So we went. And the movie was pretty
entertaining.

"Nurktwn" <nurktwn@cfl.rr.com> wrote in
news:460abf26$0$24726$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:

>
> "Agent Smith" <agent-smith@two-blocks-on-your-left.com> wrote in
> message news:Xns99019400EDD57agentsmithtwoblockso@207.115.33.102...
>> comadreja <comadreja-t@comcast.net> wrote in
>> news:comadreja-t-DFC7F8.12514328032007@news.giganews.com:
>>> You certainly seem well informed on the subject, and this is
>>> obviously a
>> story crying to be told. When the movie comes out, I'll skip the
>> film read about it in a book.
>>
> It is a story *screaming* to be told, and that awful film with Brad
> Davis doesn't count.
>
> The military resistance to Hitler dated to 1933 and a plan actually
> was hatched in 1938 by many of the same men and women who were
> executed in 1944, notably Generaloberst Beck, Generalfeldmarschall von
> Witzleben and Admiral Canaris. The capitulation of Britain in the
> Munich Agreement -- a popular triumph for Hitler -- put an end to
> their plans.

Are you sying that if Chamberlain hadn't rolled over for Uncle Adolfus,
his owm men might have deposed him? If that's true, Chamberlain really
was a fuck, wasn't he.

> Apparently, the men and women of Der deutsche Widerstand (the German
> Resistance) found Nazi cult-culture particularly troublesome and it
> would be nastily ironic to think that modern cult members would try to
> capitalize on their struggle.

Good insight. Wasn't the Cult of Nazism based on Norse Paganism, Odin
and Thor, or was there more to it than that?

> If the movie is made, it will be a must-miss. Unless Cruise portrays
> Roland Freisler.

As has been mentioned, Cooze should play Adolf. "He had no ticket!"

On Mar 28, 10:18 am, "marybo...@verizon.net" <marybo...@rcn.com>
wrote:
> Every time I've seen a Tom Cruise movie, I go in thinking, This is
> gonna stink out loud. And you know what? He's good. He delivers the
> goods, with salt and pepper and napkins. Interview With a Vampire and
> Minority Report? Just try to pick a fight with them - he hit the
> ground running and kept the pace. He's a good actor.


He's a one-note scenery chewer. Colin Farell jumped off the screen
in MR compared to Cruise - who thinks thrashing energy around is
acting.

I thought he was gawdawful in Interview - not scary, not sexy, not
evil, just manic Cruise trying to act.

His popularity baffles me. See Tom Run, Run, Run! See Tom Believe
Ernestly in a Cause! See Tom Shoot! See Tom Spit Line Readings like
Bullets!

He has struck me as just plain stupid for a long time. The boy ain't
very smart and it shows in his movies.

bel

"marybones@verizon.net" <marybones@rcn.com> wrote in
news:1175114244.699002.124500@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:

> What is this thread, Cruise delenda est? Yes, he has *ahem*
> questionable principles, but give the guy credit - on screen, he's
> good. Just like after Mel Gibson had his rant, a Jewish friend of
> mine took me to see Apocolypto, saying, "Who cares what he said, I
> hear the movie's good." So we went. And the movie was pretty
> entertaining.

No, no credit. He's a villain of Sophoclean magnitude, with talent,
charisma, money and authority, who uses the glitzy allure of Hollywood
and fame to lure unsuspecting lost souls to imprisonment and torture in
his Demonic Cult of Evil. They should call it the Church of
SATANtology. :[~

He gets no credit, and even when he's right, he's wrong. Villains don't
get any credit, even when they earn it fairly. "The only thing
necessary for evil to flourish is for good men to stand and do nothing."

I don't know what "Cruise delenda est" means, but I can guess, and I
answer with a resounding and unequivocal 'yes.' That is *exactly* what
this thread is. Cooze must be destroyed, and if you're not part of the
solution, you're part of the problem.

I the modern world, Cooze is one of the greatest living American
perpetrators of a "Cruel villainy of evil intent."

In article <1175115877.600717.97390@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
"8MilesHigh" <avianatrix@yahoo.com> wrote:

> His popularity baffles me. See Tom Run, Run, Run! See Tom Believe
> Ernestly in a Cause! See Tom Shoot! See Tom Spit Line Readings like
> Bullets!

He's done quite well with the "arrogant young man gets his come-uppance
and becomes a better person," and has played a version of that in
several good movies- "Top Gun," "Rain Man," "The Color of Money," and
often opposite a fine older actor (Dustin Hoffman, Paul Newman). Oh, and
"Jerry McGuire," which fit the mold, too.

His days as an insolent young man are behind him. I don't think he does
much else.

Ilene B

In article <Xns99019400EDD57agentsmithtwoblockso@207.115.33.102>,
Agent Smith <agent-smith@two-blocks-on-your-left.com> wrote:

> Last night I saw the very end of a documentary about how Zachary Taylor
> persecuted the Mormons until they fled into unsettled territory. The
> polygamy fight is still going on today.

The official LDS church is flat against polygamy. The polygamist groups
appear to be more like personal cults, like Charles Manson, only a bit
less malevolent.

I don't see why religious organization should be tax-exempt. Why?

Ilene B

In article <Xns9901ABFD3A53Cagentsmithtwoblockso@207.115.17.102>,
Agent Smith <agent-smith@two-blocks-on-your-left.com> wrote:

> Good insight. Wasn't the Cult of Nazism based on Norse Paganism, Odin
> and Thor, or was there more to it than that?

There was a good documentary on the quasi-religious cult of Nazism. I
think it was called something like "The Occult Roots of Nazism." Seems
they hit every pagan archetype in the book, and added modern grievances.
Those who call that regime "atheist" couldn't be more wrong.

Ilene B

Ilene Bilenky <ileneb@shore.net> wrote in news:ileneb-95354E.17083828032007
@comcast.dca.giganews.com:

> In article <Xns9901ABFD3A53Cagentsmithtwoblockso@207.115.17.102>,
> Agent Smith <agent-smith@two-blocks-on-your-left.com> wrote:
>
>> Good insight. Wasn't the Cult of Nazism based on Norse Paganism, Odin
>> and Thor, or was there more to it than that?
>
> There was a good documentary on the quasi-religious cult of Nazism. I
> think it was called something like "The Occult Roots of Nazism." Seems
> they hit every pagan archetype in the book, and added modern grievances.
> Those who call that regime "atheist" couldn't be more wrong.

I saw that several years ago, when it was on PBS, but unfortunately I
wasn't paying cloase attention and just running it in the background. I'd
love to be able to rent it and watch it again, because what little I did
see was absolutely fascinating.

In article <Xns9901BA1727CF4agentsmithtwoblockso@207.115.17.102>,
Agent Smith <agent-smith@two-blocks-on-your-left.com> wrote:

> I saw that several years ago, when it was on PBS, but unfortunately I
> wasn't paying cloase attention and just running it in the background.

Maybe there was more than one documentary, as I think the one I saw was
on History Channel or something like that. The subject could certainly
stand more than one documentary. It was fascinating.

Ilene B

Ilene Bilenky <ileneb@shore.net> wrote in
news:ileneb-5366B1.17063728032007@comcast.dca.giganews.com:

> In article <Xns99019400EDD57agentsmithtwoblockso@207.115.33.102>,
> Agent Smith <agent-smith@two-blocks-on-your-left.com> wrote:
>
>> Last night I saw the very end of a documentary about how Zachary
>> Taylor persecuted the Mormons until they fled into unsettled
>> territory. The polygamy fight is still going on today.
>
> The official LDS church is flat against polygamy.

That's just hot air. Apparently polygamy is a routine part of ordinary
Mormon culture. If the church were really against it, they'd preach
loudly and continually about how wrong it is, ramming it down the
people's throats that God's Law makes it unacceptable, without the least
exception.

But instead they just issue a bland, two line statement and wash their
hands of the problem. That's an insufficient penance to fix the
problems that they put a lot of time and effort and hard work into
creating, in the 19th century.

Their little fiat is a classic example of damage control by lip service.
If they want redemption, they have to do an *honest* penance, which
means to put an equal amount of time, effort and hard work into the
fixing the problem as they did into creating it.

Step nine of the twelve step program is to make direct amends to all
those people hurt by your misbehavior. A vapid two line press release
is a pathetic substitute. They made this mess, and they oughta clean it
up.

> The polygamist groups
> appear to be more like personal cults, like Charles Manson, only a bit
> less malevolent.

I think those little cults flourish on the fact that the local culture
tolerates it as just another branch of the church, and a standard
practice.

Ilene Bilenky <ileneb@shore.net> wrote in news:ileneb-253189.17260928032007
@comcast.dca.giganews.com:

> In article <Xns9901BA1727CF4agentsmithtwoblockso@207.115.17.102>,
> Agent Smith <agent-smith@two-blocks-on-your-left.com> wrote:
>
>> I saw that several years ago, when it was on PBS, but unfortunately I
>> wasn't paying cloase attention and just running it in the background.
>
> Maybe there was more than one documentary, as I think the one I saw was
> on History Channel or something like that. The subject could certainly
> stand more than one documentary. It was fascinating.

Wasn't that the one that showed a lingering close-up and leisurely pan over
"Guernica"? It wasn't part of standard PBS fare.

On Mar 28, 6:06 pm, Ilene Bilenky <ile...@shore.net> wrote:
> In article <Xns99019400EDD57agentsmithtwobloc...@207.115.33.102>,
> Agent Smith <agent-sm...@two-blocks-on-your-left.com> wrote:
>
>
> The official LDS church is flat against polygamy. The polygamist groups
> appear to be more like personal cults, like Charles Manson, only a bit
> less malevolent.

That's my understanding as well - the polygamists are the extremists.
That being said, and if I may digress, I get a knock on my door once a
week. Jehovah's Witnesses. They always show up when I expect the
plumber and I'm in my bathrobe. Very nice and polite, but still. And
they travel in pairs, like Darth Mauls. It's like the Muslims, they
want to politely convert you by force. This last time they excused
themselves because they were only seeking Spanish-speaking people to
convert. I'm like, the religious version of telemarketers hung up on
*me?*
>
> I don't see why religious organization should be tax-exempt. Why?

Me neither. And me a Catholic with no respect for the Vatican, so sue
me. They have more gold than Fort Knox. Tax the bastards.
>